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Hi there all GMC ers


Can someone tell me or show me what is the practical use of midi files for guitar?

1) What is the use of it or why use it for?
2) What tools do you need to use it?
3) Where to "buy" these tools?
4) etc etc

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post Nov 20 2008, 10:40 PM
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midi files are electronic data .like Guitar pro 5 its a midi program you can edit music data and compose many tracks.
by midi you can slow or speed the tempos. so you can practice with suitable tempo to your skill .also you must have a knowledge in staff notes,measurs to be able to creat a midi track .for example if you want to compose a song you can start editing a drums track ,bass line ,rhythm guitar , solo guitar ,keyboard or any instrument you want
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post Nov 20 2008, 10:41 PM
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MIDI stands for Musical Instrument Digital Interface.
With MIDI you can do a lot a stuff, you can record the notes of your controller (keys or guitar or any instrument that have it), you can write a file and then add some cool samples to make it sound real. A lot of series composer like Hans Zimmer, Alf Clausen have done this, you save a lot of money because you can compose orchestral music but you don't have to pay an orchestra.
You need a program that allows you to recibe MIDI data like Cakewalk (for me the best to program MIDI), also you have some score making like Sibelius, Finale (those are the most professional) you also have Encore. Audio programs also recibe MIDI like Cubase, Nuendo, Pro-Tools.
I don't know where you could buy it in the place you are but usually you can get them in certain music stores, PC stores where you have all kinds of software or you could mail the company and ask them to send you the product or ask for a list of known sellers in your place.

I hope that was useful, be free to ask any more questions if you have.

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QUOTE (Hisham Al-Sanea @ Nov 20 2008, 10:40 PM) *
midi files are electronic data .like Guitar pro 5 its a midi program you can edit music data and compose many tracks.
by midi you can slow or speed the tempos. so you can practice with suitable tempo to your skill .also you must have a knowledge in staff notes,measurs to be able to creat a midi track .for example if you want to compose a song you can start editing a drums track ,bass line ,rhythm guitar , solo guitar ,keyboard or any instrument you want
i suggest to start with guitar pro 5 or calkwake pro full 9.0



Hi Hisham,

Thx for the reply

I have Gp5 but don't know how to work with a midi file.

Can you help me on that a bit?

I would appr it very much.



QUOTE (Ramiro Delforte @ Nov 20 2008, 10:41 PM) *
MIDI stands for Musical Instrument Digital Interface.
With MIDI you can do a lot a stuff, you can record the notes of your controller (keys or guitar or any instrument that have it), you can write a file and then add some cool samples to make it sound real. A lot of series composer like Hans Zimmer, Alf Clausen have done this, you save a lot of money because you can compose orchestral music but you don't have to pay an orchestra.
You need a program that allows you to recibe MIDI data like Cakewalk (for me the best to program MIDI), also you have some score making like Sibelius, Finale (those are the most professional) you also have Encore. Audio programs also recibe MIDI like Cubase, Nuendo, Pro-Tools.
I don't know where you could buy it in the place you are but usually you can get them in certain music stores, PC stores where you have all kinds of software or you could mail the company and ask them to send you the product or ask for a list of known sellers in your place.

I hope that was useful, be free to ask any more questions if you have.

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Hi there Ramiro,

Yep it helped me a bit to understand what and why part, thx

But now i come to the how question?

How does it work?

How can i use it with my guitar and GuitarPro5 or other tools

Mayby you or someone else can give me some clues.

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ok listen when you open the Gp5 there a boards for guitar/bass/keyboard so lets try in guitar fret board open the view click on fretboard it will display to you, click on any fret, it will appear to you the staff note and the tab of this note ,you can continue by using the left /right arrow in on PC keyboard to do another staff note ,you have many staff notes
like whole,half whole,quarter,8th,16th,32d,64th you can use these staff notes to compose your track .try this step and let me know if you going right or what .


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post Nov 20 2008, 11:48 PM
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What exactly you wanna know mate? You open up the guitar pro file and draw the notes on the guitar fretboard displayed in the on the screen. The notes will then be shown in the tab bellow.

While drawing you are actually programming a MIDI sequnce. This sequence is within the GP file you will save eventually when you're done with your work. Suppose you draw one note C. This tells the computer an information that it must play the note C. Every note has a unique numerical value in the computer. This way computer knows what note it is. When you hit play computer plays MIDI by reading the C note and in the same time playing an audio sample of the guitar that corresponds to that note C. So computer thinks like this: " If I read number X, then I play audio sample that corresponds to the number X". All the samples are contained withing the software, and GP is making fast calculations with the CPU making sure that every note he reads - in the same time he generates an audio sample for that note.


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Hello playaxeman,

Let me answer your questions one by one.

As Ramiro explained MIDI stands for Musical Instrument Digital Interface.It is used to communicate bitween electronic instruments such as the synthesizer, sampler, sequencer, and drum machine and bitween those instruments and computers since it uses  Standard specifications.


MIDI is a technology that represents music in digital form. Unlike other digital music technologies such as MP3 and CDs, MIDI messages contain individual instructions for playing each individual note of each individual instrument. 

Most film and TV scores, and studio recorded tracks are written and performed using electronic keyboards and other MIDI-equipped musical instruments. 

Here are some uses of MIDI

1.)Play any instrument

You can create any instrument sound using synthesizer.(guitar,flute violin etc)

2.)Print Sheet Music

You can convert your MIDI data into standard notation using an appropriate software.You can also do the reverse ie convert your sheet music into MIDI data and then you can play back it.

3.)Compose Music

If you have a melody in your head you can create a track using MIDI.All you need is a MIDI Sequencer, and a MIDI instrument to enter notes with.IF you can convert your idea into sheet music or tab then you will only need a computer with an appropriate MIDI software.(As an example you can use guitarpro to enter tab and then playback the MIDI.)

When you record MIDI individual instructions (tone volume duration,etc) are stored as digital format.This is technically known as MIDI mapping.You can map MIDI either by realtime recording with a MIDI instrument or you can manually enter MIDI data using softwares.Entering sheet music data is an example for the latter.

Those are only few instances where you can use MIDI.There are endless uses of MIDI with the development of the technology.

Basic MIDI equipments.

 Synthersizers (electronic keyboards) {there are also non midi Keyboards}

You can virtually create any tone of any instrument with a synthersizer.

 Drum machines

You can create a drum track using a drum machine.In MIDI there is no need for going for a realtime recording of a drum track.You need only to record  one or two measures and then you can loop it (just a few copy and paste).To avoid uniform drum track proffessionals use several varitions of drum beats and combined them so that you no longer  feel it's a machine generated track.

There are also MIDI guitars and various other MIDI instruments.

You can buy MIDI instruments from any music store.

You can also try few MIDI softwares and understand how MIDI works.

Hope this helps.  smile.gif

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QUOTE (Hisham Al-Sanea @ Nov 20 2008, 11:04 PM) *
ok listen when you open the Gp5 there a boards for guitar/bass/keyboard so lets try in guitar fret board open the view click on fretboard it will display to you, click on any fret, it will appear to you the staff note and the tab of this note ,you can continue by using the left /right arrow in on PC keyboard to do another staff note ,you have many staff notes
like whole,half whole,quarter,8th,16th,32d,64th you can use these staff notes to compose your track .try this step and let me know if you going right or what .


He Hisham,

Thanks this i understand and it worked well.


Kinds regards



QUOTE (Vinod Saranga @ Nov 21 2008, 05:02 AM) *
Hello playaxeman,

Let me answer your questions one by one.

As Ramiro explained MIDI stands for Musical Instrument Digital Interface.It is used to communicate bitween electronic instruments such as the synthesizer, sampler, sequencer, and drum machine and bitween those instruments and computers since it uses Standard specifications.


MIDI is a technology that represents music in digital form. Unlike other digital music technologies such as MP3 and CDs, MIDI messages contain individual instructions for playing each individual note of each individual instrument.

Most film and TV scores, and studio recorded tracks are written and performed using electronic keyboards and other MIDI-equipped musical instruments.

Here are some uses of MIDI

1.)Play any instrument

You can create any instrument sound using synthesizer.(guitar,flute violin etc)

2.)Print Sheet Music

You can convert your MIDI data into standard notation using an appropriate software.You can also do the reverse ie convert your sheet music into MIDI data and then you can play back it.

3.)Compose Music

If you have a melody in your head you can create a track using MIDI.All you need is a MIDI Sequencer, and a MIDI instrument to enter notes with.IF you can convert your idea into sheet music or tab then you will only need a computer with an appropriate MIDI software.(As an example you can use guitarpro to enter tab and then playback the MIDI.)

When you record MIDI individual instructions (tone volume duration,etc) are stored as digital format.This is technically known as MIDI mapping.You can map MIDI either by realtime recording with a MIDI instrument or you can manually enter MIDI data using softwares.Entering sheet music data is an example for the latter.

Those are only few instances where you can use MIDI.There are endless uses of MIDI with the development of the technology.

Basic MIDI equipments.

Synthersizers (electronic keyboards) {there are also non midi Keyboards}

You can virtually create any tone of any instrument with a synthersizer.

Drum machines

You can create a drum track using a drum machine.In MIDI there is no need for going for a realtime recording of a drum track.You need only to record one or two measures and then you can loop it (just a few copy and paste).To avoid uniform drum track proffessionals use several varitions of drum beats and combined them so that you no longer feel it's a machine generated track.

There are also MIDI guitars and various other MIDI instruments.

You can buy MIDI instruments from any music store.

You can also try few MIDI softwares and understand how MIDI works.

Hope this helps. smile.gif



Hi There Vinod,

Very clear thx

QUOTE (Ivan Milenkovic @ Nov 20 2008, 11:48 PM) *
What exactly you wanna know mate? You open up the guitar pro file and draw the notes on the guitar fretboard displayed in the on the screen. The notes will then be shown in the tab bellow.

While drawing you are actually programming a MIDI sequnce. This sequence is within the GP file you will save eventually when you're done with your work. Suppose you draw one note C. This tells the computer an information that it must play the note C. Every note has a unique numerical value in the computer. This way computer knows what note it is. When you hit play computer plays MIDI by reading the C note and in the same time playing an audio sample of the guitar that corresponds to that note C. So computer thinks like this: " If I read number X, then I play audio sample that corresponds to the number X". All the samples are contained withing the software, and GP is making fast calculations with the CPU making sure that every note he reads - in the same time he generates an audio sample for that note.



Hello Ivan,

What exactly you wanna know mate? Good question Ivan biggrin.gif

Can i use the midi files in GP5 and make it to let say a backing track with bass, drums etc that sounds like a 'real' backing track like you guys are making for your lesson.



I suppose you are no using a band to make these backing tracks

This i what i mean with practical use and maybe ther are more things of practical use.

Thx for awnsering.


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QUOTE (playaxeman @ Nov 21 2008, 01:52 PM) *
Can i use the midi files in GP5 and make it to let say a backing track with bass, drums etc that sounds like a 'real' backing track like you guys are making for your lesson.


Exactly .You can use MIDI tracks to reproduce backing tracks in GP5.But most Drums MIDI tracks ,created with other softwares ,will not be converted precisely since they use different sound banks.


So you will get a unusual Drums track unless it's made originally in GP5.

And in GP5 MIDI data are played like a midi file.SO you won't get a realistic sound.You can use RSE for a better result.But it also doesn't sound like real for me.

If you want a track that sound like real you will need a synthersizer and you can playback the MIDI track through that synthersizer.  biggrin.gif



Otherwise you can use a software like REASON to play back the MIDI.You will need to assign each instrument and it's components to the each track.You will get a very real sound through this software.Then you can render them into MP3 or WAV.


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Another example is my H&K Switchblade amp which has a MIDI foot controller. It simply works for changing sound banks and four sound selections within each bank. You don't even know it's MIDI so it's not complicated to use.
What it does is to just send information to the amp about the selection, selecting bank 10 and sound B will send "10B" to my amp which activates the settings for this selection. Which could be Lead channel, slight delay, no reverb, gain at 2 o clock, channel volume at noon etc.
All sounds are stored within the amp, the MIDI foot controller is just a dummy that sends the signal to the amps MIDI IN port.
It could be replaced with a computer or anything that speaks the same language. That is not clear to me how it works exactly, wether foot controllers use the same protocol or if a H&K MIDI footswitch differs from a ENGL MIDI footswitch.

But it doesn't stop there, you can infact plug an effects unit into the Switchblades MIDI Through which will then get the signals from the footswitch meaning you can operate it from your pedal, so you could set the amp to work on MIDI channel 1 and the effects unit on MIDI channel 2

So to take it a bit over the edge you could control several devices via the foot controller that runs through your amp.
On channel 1 your amp
channel 2 the stage lights through a light operator device
channel 3 the smoke machine
channel 4 all effects to your sound
channel 5 drum machine

etc.

I think you have to be a genious to set it all up and it takes quite a bit of stepping on the foot controller and a good memory to recall where everything is stored and what it does but it's doable biggrin.gif


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QUOTE (playaxeman @ Nov 21 2008, 09:22 AM) *
What exactly you wanna know mate? Good question Ivan biggrin.gif

Can i use the midi files in GP5 and make it to let say a backing track with bass, drums etc that sounds like a 'real' backing track like you guys are making for your lesson.

I suppose you are no using a band to make these backing tracks

This i what i mean with practical use and maybe ther are more things of practical use.


We are mainly using MIDI but not guitar pro. Most of us use a software DAW (Digital Audio Workstation) for our MIDI programming. DAW software is application environment where you can create your music. Examples of DAW software would be Reaper, Abletone Live, Audacity, Sonar, Fruity Loops, Nuendo, Cubase, ProTools, Logic.

You are maybe asking why we are using this software. Well, unlike guitar pro, with DAW software you can do many more things with your music than in guitar pro, and get a better quality.

For example if you wanna tryout some DAW softwares, you can try out Reaper. It is a free DAW that you can use to record audio, program MIDI, mix it, produce it and export it as wave or mp3. Reaper can do some other stuff as well, but these are the most important things when it comes to creating music.

The main difference with Reaper and Guitar Pro is that guitar pro is guitar oriented MIDI software, and Reaper is universal. This means that in Reaper you will not have a guitar fretboard displayed and tabbing your own songs with a mouse can be a bit more difficult, but you will have greater flexibility and with the use of good plugins - much better sound. Of course, you can write your MIDI in guitar pro and export it to Reaper as well, because MIDI is a standardized language in the computer made exaclty for this purpose - to enable communication with lots of different music software and hardware.

Remember when we talked about how in GP when he reads the MIDI number that represents the note C then it plays the sound sample of that C note? Well in Reaper, when you write down the note C on the MIDI track you can assign a bunch of different VST Instrument plugins for that track. These VST plugins are programs withing the Reaper and they will play the sound of your note when they read the C note MIDI information on the MIDI track, similar to what GP is doing. The difference is that GP has it's fixed plugins that you cannot change, and in Reaper you can load any plugin you want. They come separately from the DAW software, you install them like a third party app, and then load them into Reaper.

Also in Reaper you have a much more advanced mixer, and besides VST Instrument plugins, there are other VST plugins that serve as VST FX plugins. For example you can find on the internet some VST reverb plugin installation, install it on your PC, load it into Reaper, assign the reverb to some track, and you will have reverb on that track. In guitar pro you can't do that and have that kind of flexibility.

So to sum up, GP is mainly a guitar tabbing software that has various tools that helps you to tab guitar lines quickly and easily. For everything else, like drums and keyboards, it is better to write MIDI in DAW software. Also if you wanna do a nice quality backing DAW software is what you need not GP.


If you have any more questions feel free to ask mate. smile.gif

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