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post Nov 24 2008, 01:31 AM
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F as the Root and an Eb.

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post Nov 24 2008, 01:43 AM
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QUOTE (Saint_arc @ Nov 24 2008, 01:31 AM) *
F as the Root and an Eb.

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Unless you are talking about power chords (which can't be the case here), you should probably have at least 3 notes to make a chord.

To figure out about chords, try learn more about intervals. Eb is the minor 7th of F. So chords with minor 7th can fit it.
Examples:
F7: F A C Eb
Fm7 - F Ab C Eb

But as I was saying it could be many other things, as you only specified 2 notes. It can be the diminished tetrad also:
Fm7b5 - F Ab Cb Eb

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QUOTE (Gus @ Nov 23 2008, 04:43 PM) *
Unless you are talking about power chords (which can't be the case here), you should probably have at least 3 notes to make a chord.

To figure out about chords, try learn more about intervals. Eb is the minor 7th of F. So chords with minor 7th can fit it.
Examples:
F7: F A C Eb
Fm7 - F Ab C Eb

But as I was saying it could be many other things, as you only specified 2 notes. It can be the diminished tetrad also:
Fm7b5 - F Ab Cb Eb



Yeah I was thinking there was something missing. I am working on this tune Rockin on Top of the World. And my buddy wrote out the music. All of the chords he wrote consist of on to notes. And they don't sound write as power chords. Its in the key of F. It sounds like a I IV V progression. I'm not sure though. The recordings to damn big to attach otherwise I would have done that.

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QUOTE (Saint_arc @ Nov 24 2008, 01:53 AM) *
Yeah I was thinking there was something missing. I am working on this tune Rockin on Top of the World. And my buddy wrote out the music. All of the chords he wrote consist of on to notes. And they don't sound write as power chords. Its in the key of F. It sounds like a I IV V progression. I'm not sure though. The recordings to damn big to attach otherwise I would have done that.

Mike

Ok. now that you explained the context this can be something else.
Good examples of interesting things playing sequence of just 2 notes are the intro of "Wanted dead or alive" by Bon jovi or the second part of "patience" solo by Guns n' roses.
Anyway, there is always an underlying chord sequence and that can be found if you post the other notes that are played.

But what exactly are you trying to do? Find the chord sequence or just trying to understand what your mate did?


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QUOTE (Gus @ Nov 23 2008, 05:12 PM) *
Ok. now that you explained the context this can be something else.
Good examples of interesting things playing sequence of just 2 notes are the intro of "Wanted dead or alive" by Bon jovi or the second part of "patience" solo by Guns n' roses.
Anyway, there is always an underlying chord sequence and that can be found if you post the other notes that are played.

But what exactly are you trying to do? Find the chord sequence or just trying to understand what your mate did?



Well yeah i am trying to find the chord sequence so that I can play my part. My Mate is the piano player. Were playing this tune for a christmas concert. Alot of the songs he is actually writing out himself. Sometimes I tend to get a little confused due to the lack of experience that I currently have. I do need to know what the exact sequence is. I'm sure I'm right as to what the progression is. For instance:

We have an F (root) with an Eb on top. Which I am assuming is the I since we are in the key of F. My next change is F (root) with a D natural on top. Now were in the key of F so i don't know why he through the Natural sign in there. But I am assuming he meant Bb7 which would be the IV chord and then a E (root) with a C on top. C major for the V chord. I'm pretty sure he has made a few errors in his writing. I think he may need another look at this now that I am looking more closely.

See I don't understand theory very well and when I get this it just makes things worse for me because then I have doubts whether or not I am doing things correctly or not.

Mike

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QUOTE (Saint_arc @ Nov 24 2008, 03:32 AM) *
Well yeah i am trying to find the chord sequence so that I can play my part. My Mate is the piano player. Were playing this tune for a christmas concert. Alot of the songs he is actually writing out himself. Sometimes I tend to get a little confused due to the lack of experience that I currently have. I do need to know what the exact sequence is. I'm sure I'm right as to what the progression is. For instance:

We have an F (root) with an Eb on top. Which I am assuming is the I since we are in the key of F. My next change is F (root) with a D natural on top. Now were in the key of F so i don't know why he through the Natural sign in there. But I am assuming he meant Bb7 which would be the IV chord and then a E (root) with a C on top. C major for the V chord. I'm pretty sure he has made a few errors in his writing. I think he may need another look at this now that I am looking more closely.

See I don't understand theory very well and when I get this it just makes things worse for me because then I have doubts whether or not I am doing things correctly or not.

Mike


Eb is a minor 7th interval from F, since there isn't a 3rd, you can play either an Fminor7 chord, or an Fmajorminor7 chord, whichever will fit the song:


Fminor7 Fmajmin7
E|--1----------1------------------------------------------------
B|--1----------1------------------------------------------------
G|--1----------2------------------------------------------------
D|--1----------1------------------------------------------------
A|--3----------3------------------------------------------------
E|--1----------1------------------------------------------------



D is a 6th interval from F, but in my opinion to keep it simple look at it as the (major)3rd interval from A#, which will give you a A#/F(A#major with F being playd as the root note) chord:


A#/F
E|--6----------------------------------------------------------
B|--6----------------------------------------------------------
G|--7----------------------------------------------------------
D|--8----------------------------------------------------------
A|--8----------------------------------------------------------
E|--x----------------------------------------------------------



And finally C is an augmented 5th interval from E, so my guess is you should use an Eaugmented chord which looks like this:


Eaug
E|--x---------------------x-------------------------------------
B|--x---------------------9-------------------------------------
G|--1----------OR--------9----------------------------------------
D|--2--------------------10------------------------------------
A|--3---------------------7----------------------------------
E|--0---------------------x----------------------------------



This chord progression sounds preety unusual to me... so maybe I misunderstood you completly..


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QUOTE (Saint_arc @ Nov 24 2008, 01:31 AM) *
F as the Root and an Eb.

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it's a min7 interval.
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QUOTE (Saint_arc @ Nov 24 2008, 02:32 AM) *
Well yeah i am trying to find the chord sequence so that I can play my part. My Mate is the piano player. Were playing this tune for a christmas concert. Alot of the songs he is actually writing out himself. Sometimes I tend to get a little confused due to the lack of experience that I currently have. I do need to know what the exact sequence is. I'm sure I'm right as to what the progression is. For instance:

We have an F (root) with an Eb on top. Which I am assuming is the I since we are in the key of F. My next change is F (root) with a D natural on top. Now were in the key of F so i don't know why he through the Natural sign in there. But I am assuming he meant Bb7 which would be the IV chord and then a E (root) with a C on top. C major for the V chord. I'm pretty sure he has made a few errors in his writing. I think he may need another look at this now that I am looking more closely.

See I don't understand theory very well and when I get this it just makes things worse for me because then I have doubts whether or not I am doing things correctly or not.

Mike


I may be wrong but I think I know what is happening here.
Recently I come across several piano transcriptions when trying to play with a pianist in the church. The chords usually comes spread in both G clef and F clef. Something like this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Adeste_...usic_sample.svg

So, I assume your friend only gave you the notes for the G clef, since guitar pitch span can be fully represented on G clef
However this is wrong because the full chord on piano is spread over both clefs. Just that in guitar you will rearrange the chord to include only notes in the G clef.

Furthermore, if you ask a pianist to transcribe the chords he/she will probably write a lot of them, with a lot of inversions everywhere. When you get the transcription, you will probably need to simplify it. wink.gif

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post Nov 25 2008, 09:43 AM
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Just to give you an example, cause I forgot to write

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Adeste_...usic_sample.svg

On this piece, the chord changes from second to third one. But if you look on the G-clef only then you only see the same notes wink.gif

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