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post Dec 4 2008, 08:04 AM
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I've seen some pretty big sizes (in the 50's), and I'm not sure why you'd want that big.

MY only guess is that they are for low tunings, like drop C, and this would keep the tension on the neck the same (meaning no truss rod adjust) to a regular size tuned to standard. Is this correct?

The reason I ask is because I want to start playing some Killswitch, which is all in Drop C. I just want to get all the facts straight so I can make the best choice on how to go about it before jumping in. (If I screw the neck on this guitar, I can't afford another Prestige, and will be stuck with my beginner guitar again).

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post Dec 4 2008, 08:22 AM
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First of all I am not an expert on this, but I will try to help:

Basically you would like to have thicker strings to improve tone in general (but of course it should remain playable smile.gif), but especially with drop-tunings the bass strings are often thicker to compensate indeed for the decrease of tension due to the drop-tuning.

It might be that a heavier gauge string set will compensate exactly for the loss in relief of the neck, however it will probably need some minor adjustment to get it perfect anyways.

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post Dec 4 2008, 08:29 AM
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QUOTE (Velvet Roger @ Dec 4 2008, 08:22 AM) *
First of all I am not an expert on this, but I will try to help:

Basically you would like to have thicker strings to improve tone in general (but of course it should remain playable smile.gif), but especially with drop-tunings the bass strings are often thicker to compensate indeed for the decrease of tension due to the drop-tuning.

It might be that a heavier gauge string set will compensate exactly for the loss in relief of the neck, however it will probably need some minor adjustment to get it perfect anyways.

Hopefully it's helpful.


Right on man, thanks. I remember learning this equation in my physics course.

Can anyone suggest a string size to choose for the drop C? Currently I'm running 9-42 (I think haha)


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post Dec 4 2008, 08:49 AM
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I think I use 11/54's on my jackson tuned to drop C(love KSE)and in that tuning the tension felt about the same as normal tuning on 9's.
I use Ernie Ball Beefy slinkys but any brand with that gauge will do you fine,the only trouble you may have with is your guitar nut saddles may be too tight to allow the fat E and A strings to sit in them snuggly-if your guitars has the typical double locking floyd type bridge with locking nut at the headstock then like the jackson it wil sit fine

On my parker,gibson and strat those bass strings will not fit,but on any of my guitars with that locking nut with bid saddles for the strings it isnt a problem:)

As mentioned above the tone is thicker with larger strings,but many players out there play with thin picks so it counters against that!fat pick and fat strings equal loud guitar!

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post Dec 4 2008, 06:52 PM
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QUOTE (Noangels @ Dec 4 2008, 08:49 AM) *
I think I use 11/54's on my jackson tuned to drop C(love KSE)and in that tuning the tension felt about the same as normal tuning on 9's.
I use Ernie Ball Beefy slinkys but any brand with that gauge will do you fine,the only trouble you may have with is your guitar nut saddles may be too tight to allow the fat E and A strings to sit in them snuggly-if your guitars has the typical double locking floyd type bridge with locking nut at the headstock then like the jackson it wil sit fine

On my parker,gibson and strat those bass strings will not fit,but on any of my guitars with that locking nut with bid saddles for the strings it isnt a problem:)

As mentioned above the tone is thicker with larger strings,but many players out there play with thin picks so it counters against that!fat pick and fat strings equal loud guitar!

have fun


Yep no problems here, I've got an edge pro bridge (my guitar is meant for one thing mmuuuuaaahahah). I'll pick some up today and try things out.


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post Dec 5 2008, 05:13 PM
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QUOTE (Sircraigery @ Dec 4 2008, 08:04 AM) *
I've seen some pretty big sizes (in the 50's), and I'm not sure why you'd want that big.

MY only guess is that they are for low tunings, like drop C, and this would keep the tension on the neck the same (meaning no truss rod adjust) to a regular size tuned to standard. Is this correct?

The reason I ask is because I want to start playing some Killswitch, which is all in Drop C. I just want to get all the facts straight so I can make the best choice on how to go about it before jumping in. (If I screw the neck on this guitar, I can't afford another Prestige, and will be stuck with my beginner guitar again).

Thanks guys


The riffs will sound a bit rougher, but everything else will sound like rubbish if you choose too large strings.
I'd say it's not worth it, especially not on a floyd guitar, which is very versatile.

If you really need it, I'd put it on a hard tail guitar that you don't really use as much.
And as you said, it's also for lowered tunings.

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post Dec 5 2008, 06:46 PM
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I've tried a couple of different gauges even tho I only tune down to Eb.
I have floyd rose on both my guitars so I have one tuned to Eb and the other to Dropped Db.

I use a 10-52 gauge set, and have been using that gauge for a couple of years. I went up only to get a better (in my opinion) sound. Also it feels better to me.

So I wouldn't say heavier gauges are only for dropped tunings. Tho i'm aware of the product Skull Strings, who claim their better suited for dropped tunings due to different gauges on the lower strings. Haven't tried them tho.


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post Dec 7 2008, 03:58 AM
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I use 11 gauge 7 string set on my 7 String guitar, and I do not down tune at all. I like that I have more string under my fingers and bigger gauges help me play more accurately while playing fast. So it is all a matter of preference smile.gif I think I am the only one who uses 11`s on a seven string while not tuning down at all, though... ohmy.gif

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post Dec 7 2008, 11:36 AM
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My local guitar store guru told me that all pickups are made for 11 gauge, actually. meaning you'll get the correct output with 11s. smile.gif

I think it's hard to develop a decent vibrato for 11s though.
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bigger string gauge give you more sustain too. (this one also depending to your bridge systems quality and your guitars body type) It is harder to bend and vibrato...


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Usually a rule of thumb to keep same setting on a guitar is rise the string gauge for each semitone you love down,

Ex.

010 standard E

011 Eb

012 D

so on

Also this prevent strings to sound floppy


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post Dec 8 2008, 04:33 AM
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Thanks everyone.

I picked up a new set of 11/52's. I had to give the edge pro's anchor screws about 3-4 turns (maybe 2 rev's from the tension the 9's gave), so it was fairly close.

Sounds amazing!, I'm never going back to 9's biggrin.gif


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My new Ibanez comes with 13-58's ohmy.gif, tuned to drop B!


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I've recently begun using thicker gauge strings. I started tuning to C and C#, and my usual 0.09 sets just ended up sounding floppy and weak.
I'm using 0.11 or 0.12's mostly now.


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QUOTE (Sircraigery @ Dec 8 2008, 04:33 AM) *
Thanks everyone.

I picked up a new set of 11/52's. I had to give the edge pro's anchor screws about 3-4 turns (maybe 2 rev's from the tension the 9's gave), so it was fairly close.

Sounds amazing!, I'm never going back to 9's biggrin.gif


I think you should build vibrato with 9s before you venture onto higher gauge though.
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QUOTE (kjutte @ Dec 14 2008, 07:00 AM) *
I think you should build vibrato with 9s before you venture onto higher gauge though.


Yeah, it's a bit of work on the 'ole fingers. I'm slowly getting used to them. Even chugging was tougher with the bigger strings, I've only ever used 9's.


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QUOTE (Sircraigery @ Dec 14 2008, 08:42 AM) *
Yeah, it's a bit of work on the 'ole fingers. I'm slowly getting used to them. Even chugging was tougher with the bigger strings, I've only ever used 9's.


It will take some getting use to, but worth it for so many reasons!

D'addario and Ernie Ball also have a 10-52 set if you keen. Tens on the top eleven's on the bottom.
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post Dec 14 2008, 09:02 AM
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QUOTE (Sircraigery @ Dec 14 2008, 07:42 AM) *
Yeah, it's a bit of work on the 'ole fingers. I'm slowly getting used to them. Even chugging was tougher with the bigger strings, I've only ever used 9's.


Well man, even in 8's people tend to use more than a year to get the real deal.
What feels right is right though, as long as you're having fun it's all good! smile.gif
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Always haha.

You know, I think the larger strings have helped me realize I need to followthrough more when picking. Looking back, I think I was pussyfooting it haha.


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QUOTE (Sircraigery @ Dec 14 2008, 09:10 AM) *
Always haha.

You know, I think the larger strings have helped me realize I need to followthrough more when picking. Looking back, I think I was pussyfooting it haha.


Honestly man, I think larger strings will only make it harder for you.
I won't post any further on this topic though tongue.gif

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