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post Dec 6 2008, 09:51 PM
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Hello Gmc,

I have a problem,
I need to know how to record. . .
Can anybody tell me how to record with a guitar :

Yes my english suck because I'm just a swedish 12 years old boy.

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EDIT: I deleted some of the text because I know everything I think,
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If you want to discover recording, try to download Audacity, it's a free software and it's easy to use, just push the record button and it's done. About the Pod X3 (Line 6) I have one, it's great for recording, it contains a good soundcard, so if you buy it, you don't need to buy a sound card, you can record with low latency. There's also great softwares for recording, but they're not free, (ex: cubase, protools ....)
When you feel confortable with recording if you want to go further you can try them out (I think there's demo version where you can try them for free)


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First you'll have to know if you have an on-board sound card or if you have a PCI or External sound card.
I think the best way to find this out is Windows Start Menu- Control Panel- Sounds and Audio Devices. There you will see what kind of sound card you have. Probably if you don't remember purchasing an independient hardware you'll have an on-board card.
Behind you PC you'll find 3 or 4 empty places to plug in (if you have PC speakers or any speakers to listen anything you play on you PC there you have your sound card). You'll see 3 inputs Mic-Line In- Aux.
If you want to record your guitar you'll have to plug in there and in the Menu that I've mentioned earlier in the "Audio" sleave you'll find "Sound Recording" you'll have to click in "Advanced" and select the "Line In" to "tell" your sound card that the sound is comming in from that input.
Once you've done all that is quite easy. Open any program and try to record.

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QUOTE (Jad Diab @ Dec 6 2008, 10:03 PM) *
If you want to discover recording, try to download Audacity, it's a free software and it's easy to use, just push the record button and it's done. About the Pod X3 (Line 6) I have one, it's great for recording, it contains a good soundcard, so if you buy it, you don't need to buy a sound card, you can record with low latency. There's also great softwares for recording, but they're not free, (ex: cubase, protools ....)
When you feel confortable with recording if you want to go further you can try them out (I think there's demo version where you can try them for free)


Thanks, thanks. smile.gif


Well I have Auda city.
Planning to buy cubase,


But how do you record with the line6?
Can you tell me more?




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First you'll have to know if you have an on-board sound card or if you have a PCI or External sound card.
I think the best way to find this out is Windows Start Menu- Control Panel- Sounds and Audio Devices. There you will see what kind of sound card you have. Probably if you don't remember purchasing an independient hardware you'll have an on-board card.
Behind you PC you'll find 3 or 4 empty places to plug in (if you have PC speakers or any speakers to listen anything you play on you PC there you have your sound card). You'll see 3 inputs Mic-Line In- Aux.
If you want to record your guitar you'll have to plug in there and in the Menu that I've mentioned earlier in the "Audio" sleave you'll find "Sound Recording" you'll have to click in "Advanced" and select the "Line In" to "tell" your sound card that the sound is comming in from that input.
Once you've done all that is quite easy. Open any program and try to record.

Let me know if that helped you and if you need more information.



---- THANKS!

Learned much,
but I still got a problem..
How do I plug it in?
The holes in the soundcard is just to small. . .
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QUOTE (Saint @ Dec 6 2008, 10:08 PM) *
Thanks, thanks. smile.gif


Well I have Auda city.
Planning to buy cubase,


But how do you record with the line6?
Can you tell me more?

It's quite easy, when you buy it, it comes with a USB interface, you download all the drivers (on the line 6 site), you connect it to your pc with the USB, you open Audacity, push record and start recording.

If you need more info, we can go chat at the GMC Chat ??

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QUOTE (Jad Diab @ Dec 6 2008, 10:11 PM) *
It's quite easy, when you buy it, it comes with a USB interface, you download all the drivers (on the line 6 site), you connect it to your pc with the USB, you open Audacity, push record and start recording.

If you need more info, we can go chat at the GMC Chat ??



Wow, thanks biggrin.gif
Now I know everything I needed to know,

I can't go to the GMC chat because I'll go and sleep in 5min.

One last question.
Is it that easy to all -box- soundcards?
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QUOTE (Saint @ Dec 6 2008, 10:20 PM) *
Wow, thanks biggrin.gif
Now I know everything I needed to know,

I can't go to the GMC chat because I'll go and sleep in 5min.

One last question.
Is it that easy to all -box- soundcards?

If you buy a soundcard, you need to be able to connect you guitar to your pc (you can do this via amps). once you connected your guitar, you got to your configuration pannel, change you sound configuration (you put your new sound card name in your audio configurationà and the go to audacity click record and start recording.

Of course when you buy a soundcard you should install the sound card driver first (but generally it comes in a CD when you buy the sound card)
Ok goodnight man, if one day you buy a soundcard or a pod and need help, don't hesitate to ask (on the forum or pm)


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There are too small because they are mini-plugs and you have a 1/4 plug. You should buy and adapter from the 1/4 size to the mini-plug and all your problems will solve tongue.gif


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post Dec 7 2008, 05:02 PM
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First you gotta tell us what amp you have, do you have any processor, and what sound card you have and then we will tell you exactly what you need to know mate.


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post Dec 7 2008, 05:07 PM
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QUOTE (Ivan Milenkovic @ Dec 7 2008, 05:02 PM) *
First you gotta tell us what amp you have, do you have any processor, and what sound card you have and then we will tell you exactly what you need to know mate.



Oh, I got a vox ad30vt XL.

My sondcard is just a crap card.
Havent changed something, just rubbish original.
What is processor :S

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post Dec 8 2008, 10:29 PM
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OK, the reason why I ask about the amp is that some amps have DI Out for connecting to computer. You amp doesn't have that so the only way to record the sound from it is to mic it. So that option is not good for starters.

Processor is a digital unit that changes the way you guitar sounds. Example of a processor is Boss GT8, but there are cheaper models, varying in price from 20-30$ to thousands of dollars. The reason you would need a processor is because they can convert guitar unbalanced signal into a balanced one which your card can take. Here are some processors ranging from cheaper to more expensive ones:


Zoom G2


Line 6 POD XT Live


Roland VG99


TC Electronics G System

Now as for the card, you can plug the guitar straight into card but this is not recommended cause you can damage your sound card this way. You will need a device that can convert your guitars unbalanced signal to balanced one. The device that can do this is called DI Box, and it can be a lot cheaper that processors, it looks like this:


cheap Samson DI Box


Sound cards can be roughly categorized like this:

1. integrated cards - these cards are of the worst quality. You get them with your motherboard and they should serve mainly as a worst case scenario backup situations. If you consider the fact that you get them for free bundled with the motherboard, you can presume what quality they have. Nevertheless newer motherboard models have more advanced chips and these cards are now enough for mainstream users, and some pilot recording projects.
This is the looks of one chip called Realtek that is often used for integrated solutions:


2. mainstream pc (aka gamer) cards - these cards are more expensive than integrated ones, they offer better sound quality, more clearer sound, and more accurate sound response. They also have bigger processing power than integrated ones, and the memory of their own, which enables them to add some effects on the sound of the computer. A lot of consumer cards will have options for enabling reverberation or chorus effects that can enhance gaming experience. The example of these cards are Creative Sound Blaster Series as one of the best selling cards on the market. Here's example of the high-end consumer market gamer card:


3. music production cards - these cards are mainly intended for music producing purposes, and branch into several categories, but most popular for beginners are audio interfaces. These interfaces have all the inputs and outputs for connecting instrument to computer and recording it with no problems. Interfaces are made mainly as external products, which means they serve as a external sound card with USB or Firewire connection.
Here's an example of a cheap Line 6 interface, notice the guitar input and modeling software that you get with the device:


There are also other music production systems, both PCI, external or combined solutions, but let's not go in-depth about it now.


If you wanna record sound on your computer, the wisest thing to do is to buy a small cheap guitar interface, like this Line 6 Toneport GX is on the last picture. This will get you a solid working sound card for recording, and program that has different guitar effects that you can apply to your guitar when recording in real-time.

In real-time, means that there is a small amount of latency involved. Why is this important? Well because signal that goes into your card must travel through the card, and processor, and back to the card and to speakers, and be processed in the meantime. This time is mesaured in miliseconds and it is called latency. Anything above 15-20ms is generally not good, and you can perceive the delay, and anything bellow is good. Integrated and consumer cards are not optimized for low latency monitoring, but music production sound cards are. They usually have some sort of direct monitoring that can send signal before it reaches the processor. This enables you to hear and record your guitar in the same time you play it. Well not in the same time but with less than 15-20ms latency.

In the end I wanna say that you can record things with your integrated card as well, just don't expect that good performance and you will need a device that will transfer your guitar unbalanced signal to line-level one that sound card can take via Line In.

If you buy a cheap interface you will not have these problems and can record much better, and plug your guitar straight into interface. The latency will be small and you will have effects to color the sound a bit.

Ask if you need more question mate, or something wasn't too clear.


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post Dec 9 2008, 08:25 PM
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QUOTE (Ivan Milenkovic @ Dec 8 2008, 10:29 PM) *
OK, the reason why I ask about the amp is that some amps have DI Out for connecting to computer. You amp doesn't have that so the only way to record the sound from it is to mic it. So that option is not good for starters.

Processor is a digital unit that changes the way you guitar sounds. Example of a processor is Boss GT8, but there are cheaper models, varying in price from 20-30$ to thousands of dollars. The reason you would need a processor is because they can convert guitar unbalanced signal into a balanced one which your card can take. Here are some processors ranging from cheaper to more expensive ones:


Zoom G2


Line 6 POD XT Live


Roland VG99


TC Electronics G System

Now as for the card, you can plug the guitar straight into card but this is not recommended cause you can damage your sound card this way. You will need a device that can convert your guitars unbalanced signal to balanced one. The device that can do this is called DI Box, and it can be a lot cheaper that processors, it looks like this:


cheap Samson DI Box


Sound cards can be roughly categorized like this:

1. integrated cards - these cards are of the worst quality. You get them with your motherboard and they should serve mainly as a worst case scenario backup situations. If you consider the fact that you get them for free bundled with the motherboard, you can presume what quality they have. Nevertheless newer motherboard models have more advanced chips and these cards are now enough for mainstream users, and some pilot recording projects.
This is the looks of one chip called Realtek that is often used for integrated solutions:


2. mainstream pc (aka gamer) cards - these cards are more expensive than integrated ones, they offer better sound quality, more clearer sound, and more accurate sound response. They also have bigger processing power than integrated ones, and the memory of their own, which enables them to add some effects on the sound of the computer. A lot of consumer cards will have options for enabling reverberation or chorus effects that can enhance gaming experience. The example of these cards are Creative Sound Blaster Series as one of the best selling cards on the market. Here's example of the high-end consumer market gamer card:


3. music production cards - these cards are mainly intended for music producing purposes, and branch into several categories, but most popular for beginners are audio interfaces. These interfaces have all the inputs and outputs for connecting instrument to computer and recording it with no problems. Interfaces are made mainly as external products, which means they serve as a external sound card with USB or Firewire connection.
Here's an example of a cheap Line 6 interface, notice the guitar input and modeling software that you get with the device:


There are also other music production systems, both PCI, external or combined solutions, but let's not go in-depth about it now.


If you wanna record sound on your computer, the wisest thing to do is to buy a small cheap guitar interface, like this Line 6 Toneport GX is on the last picture. This will get you a solid working sound card for recording, and program that has different guitar effects that you can apply to your guitar when recording in real-time.

In real-time, means that there is a small amount of latency involved. Why is this important? Well because signal that goes into your card must travel through the card, and processor, and back to the card and to speakers, and be processed in the meantime. This time is mesaured in miliseconds and it is called latency. Anything above 15-20ms is generally not good, and you can perceive the delay, and anything bellow is good. Integrated and consumer cards are not optimized for low latency monitoring, but music production sound cards are. They usually have some sort of direct monitoring that can send signal before it reaches the processor. This enables you to hear and record your guitar in the same time you play it. Well not in the same time but with less than 15-20ms latency.

In the end I wanna say that you can record things with your integrated card as well, just don't expect that good performance and you will need a device that will transfer your guitar unbalanced signal to line-level one that sound card can take via Line In.

If you buy a cheap interface you will not have these problems and can record much better, and plug your guitar straight into interface. The latency will be small and you will have effects to color the sound a bit.

Ask if you need more question mate, or something wasn't too clear.



Wow,
that was nice biggrin.gif
I will try what you said.
Learned much in that text


By The Way:
I knew what processor was.
But I didn't know how to say it in english.
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Now I'm just going to buy a soundcard . . .


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No problem mate, glad to help you. Cheers smile.gif


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Wow Ivan, you are awesome man, that should go directly into our guitar wiki!, I'll have it added under "Recording Guitar on PC".
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Yeah,the best way is to buy a sound card in some way linked to a guitar recording.


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QUOTE (Ivan Milenkovic @ Dec 10 2008, 12:22 PM) *
Hey thanks Fran! smile.gif



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If you plan to use your amp and a microphone, you'll need a good instrument microphone and a modest microphone preamp and depending to output level (balanced +4 or unbalanced -10) a DI box and then a low latency soundcard. So I think a line6 toneport as Ivan said will be your best choice as you wont need anything above.


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