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post Dec 8 2008, 10:02 PM
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Chill out guys!!
I still think both Coldplay and Satch should go touring together, end of the story smile.gif

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QUOTE (OrganisedConfusion @ Dec 8 2008, 03:53 PM) *
It was aimed at Satriani not you. Sorry if you got the wrong impression.


I think OC what hes getting at is that you are hurting people that love Satch (Insert Any Guitar Player Name Here). You are doing it in a very indirect way. Even myself look up to him and are playing guitar because of him. I mean I bought Ibanez because of him. He's the main reason why I love music the way I do. He's the main reason I get emotional when I hear sweet licks made by any guitar player.

Attacking him the way you are is very disrespectful to many people at this site including myself.
Especially at a site called guitarmasterclass.net I cnonsider him a master in the masterclass.net"

Everybody has a right to share their opinion but your seems to have malice for some reason.

No disrespect toward you man but I consider him my guitar hero. He has every right to do what he is doing. Thats why the justice system was created. If he loses, so be it.





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post Dec 8 2008, 10:04 PM
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I'm actually doing a project on this right now in school and came across this video

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C'mon rolleyes.gif If youre gonna try and tell me that they aren't similar you have got to be kidding

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post Dec 8 2008, 10:05 PM
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QUOTE (opeth.db @ Dec 8 2008, 09:03 PM) *
I think OC what hes getting at is that you are hurting people that love Satch (Insert Any Guitar Player Name Here). You are doing it in a very indirect way. Even myself look up to him and are playing guitar because of him. I mean I bought Ibanez because of him. He's the main reason why I love music the way I do. He's the main reason I get emotional when I hear sweet licks made by any guitar player.

Attacking him the way you are is very disrespectful to many people at this site including myself.
Especially at a site called guitarmasterclass.net I cnonsider him a master in the masterclass.net"

Everybody has a right to share their opinion but your seems to have malice for some reason.

No disrespect toward you man but I consider him my guitar hero. He has every right to do what he is doing. Thats why the justice system was created. If he loses, so be it.

But it's alright to disrespect Coldplay? Look back through the posts and see how many have dissed Coldplay in this.


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QUOTE (Fran @ Dec 8 2008, 10:02 PM) *
Chill out guys!!
I still think both Coldplay and Satch should go touring together, end of the story smile.gif

Now, can we all please relax cool.gif

laugh.gif Our new Fran:

Would be the best solution... Coldplay should excuse and give Satriani a compensation. After all, a tour would be awesome. smile.gif
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post Dec 8 2008, 10:08 PM
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People get upset at me dissing Satriani for something that looks very suspect but people are allowed to diss Coldplay because they aren't guitar masters. It just annoys me. Somebody should stand up for them and I dislike both peoples music so I like to think I'm neutral on this matter.


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post Dec 8 2008, 10:09 PM
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QUOTE (OrganisedConfusion @ Dec 8 2008, 04:05 PM) *
But it's alright to disrespect Coldplay? Look back through the posts and see how many have dissed Coldplay in this.



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QUOTE (OrganisedConfusion @ Dec 8 2008, 09:08 PM) *
People get upset at me dissing Satriani for something that looks very suspect but people are allowed to diss Coldplay because they aren't guitar masters. It just annoys me. Somebody should stand up for them and I dislike both peoples music so I like to think I'm neutral on this matter.


There is, however, a difference between saying you dislike an artist, and calling an artist an idiot smile.gif


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post Dec 8 2008, 10:13 PM
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QUOTE (Duncan @ Dec 8 2008, 10:59 PM) *
With that argument you're pretty much dismissing anyone who is on Satch's side as well. No one has a way of knowing what Satriani is feeling so OC could be right.


I didn't say OC is wrong, the only thing I'm saying is there's a way to express you'r opinion in a coltural way.

OC, Satriani explaind himself why it took him so long, they tried settling the matter out of court, now I don't if you'r aware how how busy he is, but since his album came out in april, he's been preety much touring and doing other projects non-stop, so a matter like this will take him a long time to attend.

But again, this isn't the point, my point is that you'r being extremely volgur and disrespectful, and there's no room for that.
You could have easily said "I disagree with his claim, I don't think coldplay stole his music", but instead you wrote stuff such as and I quote "I hope he loses and has to pay all court costs. It'd be great. Hopefully he loses his house and life the whinging moron".

Even if I wasn't such a big fan of him, I would have gotten offended by the things you wrote in you'r posts here and the first thread.

And how can you say you'r speaking from a neutral position when you write such hate crap about the man?! that's not a neutral position, a neutral position is if you say: " Just let them work it between themselves, it's none of my buisness".

And for the record, I never attacked Coldplay, closest thing to that is that I said that if I was in Satch's position and had as a belief as he does, that my song, which I worked on for T E N years, was copied, that I would do anything to get justice. In fact I rather like Coldplay.

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QUOTE (OrganisedConfusion @ Dec 8 2008, 10:08 PM) *
People get upset at me dissing Satriani for something that looks very suspect but people are allowed to diss Coldplay because they aren't guitar masters. It just annoys me. Somebody should stand up for them and I dislike both peoples music so I like to think I'm neutral on this matter.

I actually like "Viva la Vida" and some other songs of them. laugh.gif

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QUOTE (Iluha @ Dec 8 2008, 09:57 PM) *
I didn't get the wrong impression, you shouldn't post any hurtful posts about musicians, just like I don't go around posting hate posts about "The Killers" or other bands I may not like.

Fact is you have no idea how he feels, you have no way of knowing it, suing them is his choice, and you don't have to agree with it, but you can't diss him about it, that's not democracy, that's idiocracy.

If you really feel the urge to post such hateful posts, than please go to Ultimate-Guitar.com or any other free forum, and post you'r thoughts there, this is a forum which I don't expect to read such things in.


You don't like The Killers?
What is wrong with you???

They should sue you for hurting their reputation!!! mad.gif

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J/K, I agree with Satriani here.. I thought the songs were srikingly similar actually!
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QUOTE (Iluha @ Dec 8 2008, 09:13 PM) *
I didn't say OC is wrong, the only thing I'm saying is there's a way to express you'r opinion in a coltural way.

OC, Satriani explaind himself why it took him so long, they tried settling the matter out of court, now I don't if you'r aware how how busy he is, but since his album came out in april, he's been preety much touring and doing other projects non-stop, so a matter like this will take him a long time to attend.

But again, this isn't the point, my point is that you'r being extremely volgur and disrespectful, and there's no room for that.
You could have easily said "I disagree with his claim, I don't think coldplay stole his music", but instead you wrote stuff such as and I quote "I hope he loses and has to pay all court costs. It'd be great. Hopefully he loses his house and life the whinging moron".

Even if I wasn't such a big fan of him, I would have gotten offended by the things you wrote in you'r posts here and the first thread.

And how can you say you'r speaking from a neutral position when you write such hate crap about the man?! that's not a neutral position, a neutral position is if you say: " Just let them work it between themselves, it's none of my buisness".

And for the record, I never attacked Coldplay, closest thing to that is that I said that if I was in Satch's position and had as a belief as he does, that my song, which I worked on for T E N years, was copied, that I would do anything to get justice. In fact I rather like Coldplay.

That would be a passive neutal. I am an aggressive neutral biggrin.gif

I'm not trying to annoy people with this. When I feel strongly about somethings I probably go a bit far as most probably know. I don't believe this case warrants Coldplay being sued but if you look at the past I think some people have had to pay money when their song isn't as similar as these two and some haven't had to pay money when they have been much similar to these two. I think a line needs to be drawn to say what is copying and how do you know? There are millions of songs out there from hundreds of thousands of artists. How can you truly say you haven't got a riff that is the exact same as somebody else?

Simply. You can't. I can just see where this will head. Everybody sueing everybody over minor things and it will get more and more silly.


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I heard it, the melody is the same, about that stuff that his life is upside down, and it really hurts, I think it is too much. I mean if it was me, I would be saying, yes I want the money, they are making millions of my song, and that is not right.

Don't get me wrong, I am a Satriani fan, but it seems that saying it really hurts and all that other stuff is more like trying to convince you that it is not about the money.


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QUOTE (OrganisedConfusion @ Dec 8 2008, 04:22 PM) *
That would be a passive neutal. I am an aggressive neutral biggrin.gif

I'm not trying to annoy people with this. When I feel strongly about somethings I probably go a bit far as most probably know. I don't believe this case warrants Coldplay being sued but if you look at the past I think some people have had to pay money when their song isn't as similar as these two and some haven't had to pay money when they have been much similar to these two. I think a line needs to be drawn to say what is copying and how do you know? There are millions of songs out there from hundreds of thousands of artists. How can you truly say you haven't got a riff that is the exact same as somebody else?

Simply. You can't. I can just see where this will head. Everybody sueing everybody over minor things and it will get more and more silly.


Congrats, you have just managed to say "the man is an idiot and you hope he loses all his money" in a nice way. smile.gif

Now how about that pie!

QUOTE (Jose Mena @ Dec 8 2008, 04:22 PM) *
Don't get me wrong, I am a Satriani fan, but it seems that saying it really hurts and all that other stuff is more like trying to convince you that it is not about the money.


Totally agree there. That PR for ya! smile.gif


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QUOTE (OrganisedConfusion @ Dec 8 2008, 11:22 PM) *
That would be a passive neutal. I am an aggressive neutral biggrin.gif

I'm not trying to annoy people with this. When I feel strongly about somethings I probably go a bit far as most probably know. I don't believe this case warrants Coldplay being sued but if you look at the past I think some people have had to pay money when their song isn't as similar as these two and some haven't had to pay money when they have been much similar to these two. I think a line needs to be drawn to say what is copying and how do you know? There are millions of songs out there from hundreds of thousands of artists. How can you truly say you haven't got a riff that is the exact same as somebody else?

Simply. You can't. I can just see where this will head. Everybody sueing everybody over minor things and it will get more and more silly.


Again, you'r missing my point, It's not about you'r opinion, it's about how you'r puting it, there's a proper way to say things, without the need to be rude. anything rude you write, can hurt someone's feelings, even if not directed at them, like in this case where alot of people here hold great respect to Satriani, they(and me too) are offended when you start wishing "His house to be taken away".

Do you understand what I'm talking about? it's not what you'r opinion is, is how you express it.


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Man I really agree with satriani here. Coldplay may or may not be aware of existence of If I could fly and accidents may happen, but if these accidents happen to hurt rights of the people, now at that point there will be a legal consequence for that.

Ofcourse Satriani sues Coldplay for money, and I am sure with zillions of his beautiful songs he could care less about that incident but that is not the point. The point is he has the right to sue and win if the court agrees with him and there we have nothing to say.

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I can't believe this argument. Ripping off other's lifework is retarded, no matter how one sees it.
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I really love Coldplay music and I really love satch's music.

@OC The moment we start to express ourselves with any words in GMC forum, this place will become as any other internet forum. And then me and probably 80% of people would just leave, so take more care with what you are writing wink.gif

I understand that the main point that pisses you off is that in your view Satch waited really long just until the song gets indication to prizes and therefore you think it's all for the money. Well, long ago I read an interview of Joe Satriani where he was telling that he had a moment in his life where he could choose doing instrumental music or more pop music (music with vocals). Therefore when I just read this interview now I fully believe he is into this more because he felt stolen than for gaining money.

As for outcome, as someone said, I would be really glad if they just play together at the grammy and Joe get an agreement for part of the money...

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Unfortunately Gus I don't understand what you are getting at with the comment. We have to express ourselves with words on GMC as we can't express ourselves any other way. It's a forum of words.

And if people can't voice their opinion then this site doesn't take into account people's opinion clearly but I know that isn't the case so you let me have my opinion and you have yours. Just because I am backing Coldplay in this doesn't mean I'm wrong. Please let me have a voice.


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