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Kristofer Dahl
post Dec 14 2006, 08:35 AM
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QUOTE (RIP Dime @ Dec 14 2006, 10:08 AM) *
Hey guys, I don't mean to thread jack, but could this be the reason why I my right hand gets "confused" while playing descending patterns. I start with a down stroke, so it goes down up down, then I move down(tword the low E) while on an upstroke, so it throws off my rhythm? Could that be it?

So the solution would be to start on a up stroke?


If I understand you correctly - you are staying 100% alternate which is good. The situation you describe is usually where people cheat (which the later on regret!).


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post Dec 14 2006, 08:56 AM
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Yes, I'm trying to get my alternate picking going, but I have the unforunate habit of economy picking everything mad.gif Any tips on how to get into the good habit biggrin.gif of alternate picking faster. I've been saying out loud down, up, down, up etc... everytime I change strings for three note per string runs.
so I do this....

e---------------------------------------------------------------12-14-15--------------------------
B---------------------------------------------------12-13-15--------------------------------------
G---------------------------------------12-14-16--------------------------------------------------
D---------------------------12-14-16--------------------------------------------------------------
A----------------12-14-15-------------------------------------------------------------------------
E-----12-14-15-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
I say Down......up..........down........up.............down........up
And reverse for descending patterns.
Is this a good way of getting into the habit of alt picking?

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blink.gif I just realised how much of an economy picker I am sad.gif When I do three notes per string runs I go down up down (change strings) down up down all the way up!!!! AHHH!!!! It didn't have anything to do with what pick stroke I started with, it was my economy picking that made me suck at descending runs!!! I'm gonna freak out wacko.gif Cuz I guess it's something I've done forever, and now I can't play anything without thinking "I'm economy picking this when I should be alt picking it!" and getting EXTREMELY discouraged by it!
Now all my practice sessions will be dedicated solely on getting rid of my economy picking habit!!
I would love anybody that can give me some tips...

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post Dec 14 2006, 11:43 AM
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QUOTE (RIP Dime @ Dec 14 2006, 10:56 AM) *
Yes, I'm trying to get my alternate picking going, but I have the unforunate habit of economy picking everything mad.gif Any tips on how to get into the good habit biggrin.gif of alternate picking faster. I've been saying out loud down, up, down, up etc... everytime I change strings for three note per string runs.
so I do this....

e---------------------------------------------------------------12-14-15--------------------------
B---------------------------------------------------12-13-15--------------------------------------
G---------------------------------------12-14-16--------------------------------------------------
D---------------------------12-14-16--------------------------------------------------------------
A----------------12-14-15-------------------------------------------------------------------------
E-----12-14-15-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
I say Down......up..........down........up.............down........up
And reverse for descending patterns.
Is this a good way of getting into the habit of alt picking?

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blink.gif I just realised how much of an economy picker I am sad.gif When I do three notes per string runs I go down up down (change strings) down up down all the way up!!!! AHHH!!!! It didn't have anything to do with what pick stroke I started with, it was my economy picking that made me suck at descending runs!!! I'm gonna freak out wacko.gif Cuz I guess it's something I've done forever, and now I can't play anything without thinking "I'm economy picking this when I should be alt picking it!" and getting EXTREMELY discouraged by it!
Now all my practice sessions will be dedicated solely on getting rid of my economy picking habit!!
I would love anybody that can give me some tips...


Well you can be happy it didn't take you several years to realise - and don't worry you have still learned alot with the economy picking. smile.gif

Speaking out loud and slowing down seems like a good approach!


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post Dec 14 2006, 11:59 AM
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That's true, I did learn alot, hopefully after I've gotten into the habit of alt picking I can play what I've learned 10 times better! biggrin.gif
Thanks Kris!


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post Dec 18 2006, 07:41 PM
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Honestly, I think economy picking sounds smoother than strict alt. I used to alt. picking was the only way and then my gutiar teacher exposed me to eco. picking. I think eco. picking is better than alt. just because I feel that it flows better in the song. I have good attack as it is, so I don't think it sounds weaker than alt. picking and honestly I think both sound great with practice. Listen to Symphony X, I'm almost positive Michael Romeo uses strict eco. picking.
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post Dec 26 2006, 10:05 PM
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Great topic. I never thought about that two techniques. So I woundered : what do I do?
I could not figure without trying so I grabed my axe and made the test : I do alt picking.
It's what came naturaly when I started to play guitar.

The problem I have right now is to keep a good synchronisation between left and right hand. Sometimes when I want to go fast, my right hand (i'm right handed) goes faster than my left hand. dry.gif So the effect is double notes and poor rythm.
I must improve my left hand speed and play the same speed with the riight hand.
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post May 8 2007, 03:14 AM
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i have been using eco picking from i started (7 month using eco picking), and now i can't use alternate its so difficult XD

and its true what kris say, its not the same attack, for me the sound is different using alt picking
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post May 8 2007, 08:23 PM
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You know what guys, ive been Alternate picking from the start (as im a relatively new player ) and I cannot even remember how to economy pick. I took Kris's advice back in december 06 when i joined, practiced alternate picking every day for months and my brain cannot remember anything esle. I just go up/down/up down no matter what !! biggrin.gif It would seem alien not to alternate pick even when improvising.

I belive if you practice songs with pure altenate picking, like Gabi and Pavels it will become second nature whatever you do.

Here is some insentive to alternate pick.............. wink.gif

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nPGA3vjMLgE

I am currently learning Bach's Prelude and Fugue in D Major ala Paul Gilbert and its developing my alternate picking skills no end!


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post May 9 2007, 03:45 AM
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I totally agree. Alternate picking is the way to go.
It does become second nature. For me it felt more natural than economy picking and I have better control and timing when alternate picking. I tried economy picking the other day just for fun and to me it sounds choppy and sloppy.

One last thing, my new guitar instructor gave me some exercises, scales,etc to practice on and he said "Don't worry about how you're picking. Just downstrokes for now."

I told him I only alternate pick because Sensei Dahl does not allow any other form wink.gif
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post May 9 2007, 04:43 AM
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QUOTE (Egln40 @ Dec 5 2006, 04:08 PM) *
Hi.

Just started with electric and Masterclass.
I am a bit confused about alternate picking. I understand the up down - up down pattern, but..........
How do you manage that when on a down stroke, you go down a string (D to G for example). Do you have to hit the G on a up stroke, or on the way down ?
Thanks for giving me some light.
Eric.



This is an easy way to put it i'm not meaning to be vulgar... but


it's just like whackin off you keep going up and down... from the words of Daron Malakian ( guitarist and vocalist for system of a down))
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post May 30 2007, 11:25 AM
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how is it different? i practiced economy picking because i thought it was better and made perfect sense by picking down on every third note. But if it really does ruin your tone is it really worth unlearning?


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post Jan 7 2008, 10:01 PM
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I honestly have found that alternate picking is GOLD!! I'll be honest though it DOES seem like you should be picking down when your moving down and vise versa when going up...but DON"T!!!!! for one...you will only get a few beats per second faster if your shredding at the most insane speeds....but you'll hear the tone loss. And also...it's much smoother on your right hand technique to use alternate since it's a controlled up and down movement when switching beween strings. As for relearning your picking style...do it if your economy picking...it's worth the time..you'll be surprised at how fast you'll pick it up.

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post Jan 7 2008, 10:04 PM
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I guess I'm lucky. When I started playing, when I was 15 or so, I didn't know at the time it was a technique or whatever, but alternate picking just seemed the natural way to pick, to me.


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post Jan 7 2008, 10:16 PM
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I accidently learned economy picking when trying to learn how to alternate pick- it really messed up my technique for a while...
But now that i alternate pick i think its great for 'speedpicking' and some riffing maybe, ofcourse string skipping licks too.

However limiting yourself to just one technique is exactly that IMO = limiting

You can get some mega cool trippy spaced out smooth sounding sequences and patterns using economy, its a great way to cross strings with a legato sound.

Why not mix up a solo with a flowing legato sequence with economy picking and tapping and then burst out, stomp the overdrive and alternate pick someones face off for the aggressive sound!

To be virtuosos we must learn everything.....

I'd love to master economy picking soon and learn to switch between the styles dependant of the lick/ desired effect.

ofcourse im just another point of view among many smile.gif


edit: wow old thread!! wink.gif

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It's good to have both in the pocket,might come in handy imho. smile.gif

But the truth is,alternate picking offers more power,accuracy
and it's easier to follow different timings and notes values.
While on the other hand economy is more smoother and gives chance
to play some licks a lot more faster but timing isn't that tight and correct,
it's more like a "flow" of notes,sort of.

You pick what you like,my advice is both,
maybe I'd give small advantage on alternate
cause you can use it bigger percentage of situations. smile.gif


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