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jer
post Dec 24 2008, 06:04 PM
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So... With an overdrive in front of my Marshall clone I am standing in front of a hissing monster.

I'm not used to that. I've been using modelers for so long I am spoiled by how silent they are.

I imagine I need a noise reduction pedal. Some sort of gate?

This one seems highly regarded.

http://guitars.musiciansfriend.com/product...edal?sku=150368

Is this what I use to silence my rig when I mute the strings?

I'm new to this kind of thing. Pedals and running overdrive into an already higher gain amp...



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post Dec 24 2008, 06:22 PM
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Definitely that's the one to get, it'll make a big difference. Other noise reduction pedals have a tendency to take out too much, the ISP is right up there as one of the best, good choice. Just put it in front of your amp and away you go smile.gif
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post Dec 24 2008, 06:42 PM
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Is it normal to need something like this?

I'm pretty new to this type of setup. I've been spoiled by dead silent modelers....



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post Dec 24 2008, 06:46 PM
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I'm in need of one aswell, going for the Hush I belive will be my choise. It'll cut all sound when, so to say, the strings are silent.

You should either put it right after the guitar, or in the effects loop if that's what's making noise. Whick very well could be the case in a hi gain beast wink.gif


QUOTE (jer @ Dec 24 2008, 06:42 PM) *
Is it normal to need something like this?

I'm pretty new to this type of setup. I've been spoiled by dead silent modelers....

It's not uncommon.


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post Dec 24 2008, 06:50 PM
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I dont have a loop so it'll need to go in front.

The amp with no pedals on is fine. Even with gain cranked. not noisey.

But man, you kick on some OD and its just starts hissing like mad!!!


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post Dec 24 2008, 07:32 PM
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In your list of gear, you own a 'handmade JCM 800 with mods'. That sounds interesting, what is that?
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post Dec 24 2008, 08:43 PM
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Its a clone of a 50 watt Marshall JCM 800 amplifier.

There is a decent size community out there that are building their own amps. You can readily find schematics for Marshall and other amps. And the technology in these older amps is pretty simple. Some digging, a soldering iron, and about $500 in parts will give you what you need to make your own.

You can also buy kits from companies like cieratone.

http://www.ceriatone.com/







The end result is for $500(US) I anded up with a handwired Marshall JCM800 with a few mods done to it to gear it a bit more to my liking. (lots of pros wil lhave their amps modded, I'm not a pro though... wink.gif )

What do those hadwired Marshall 30th edition heads run?

http://www.marshallamps.com/product_range....roductRangeId=3

Here is a pic of mine. (without the tubes in it)

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And here is a thread on my site that takes you throuogh the journey of building one.

http://www.metalfrets.com/fretboard/index....msg1642#msg1642

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Carvin 50x2 Stereo Tube Amp
Boss GT-10 Preamp/Effects Processor
Digitech GSP-1101 Preamp/Effects Processor
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Behringer Dualfex EX2200
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post Dec 25 2008, 12:40 AM
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QUOTE (jer @ Dec 24 2008, 08:43 PM) *
Its a clone of a 50 watt Marshall JCM 800 amplifier.

There is a decent size community out there that are building their own amps. You can readily find schematics for Marshall and other amps. And the technology in these older amps is pretty simple. Some digging, a soldering iron, and about $500 in parts will give you what you need to make your own.


Man, that is awesome! What a cool idea! What transformer and power tubes did you decide to use? How is this 'modded' from the original JCM 800? Just curious, I may condider modding my TSL. Very cool.

Incidentally, I found this very interesting website:

http://www.voodooamps.com/home/Modificatio...90/Default.aspx



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post Dec 25 2008, 04:14 AM
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QUOTE (FrankW @ Dec 24 2008, 05:40 PM) *
Man, that is awesome! What a cool idea! What transformer and power tubes did you decide to use? How is this 'modded' from the original JCM 800? Just curious, I may condider modding my TSL. Very cool.

Incidentally, I found this very interesting website:

http://www.voodooamps.com/home/Modificatio...90/Default.aspx


I used JJ Tesla tubes all around. Matched. There were also "high gain" versions available for the preamp tubes. I dont know how much of a difference that made but I got those too. It still sounds great clean so......

The transformers were from tubesandmore.com. Basic aftermarket ones. Nothing real special there. YOu can sink a LOT of money into the transformers.






I honestly don't know what the mods are. Some changes in the resistor values on the tone circuit.

My friend Dave finalized what schematic we were using. He took a few ideas fron other sites for the final.

I think some were from here:

http://tone-lizard.com/Ultimate_JCM800.htm


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Carvin 50x2 Stereo Tube Amp
Boss GT-10 Preamp/Effects Processor
Digitech GSP-1101 Preamp/Effects Processor
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post Dec 25 2008, 04:32 AM
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I don't know if you already knew but do you use the overdrive right? The rule is output on 10 and gain on 0 on the OD to overdrive an already crunchy amp. The gain knob is for creating a crunch sound on the clean channel...


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post Dec 25 2008, 05:45 AM
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I probably had the gain up.

WIth it at zero it will still add to the existing sound?


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Jackson SL-1 USA Soloist
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ESP LTD MH-400
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Martin 001 Acoustic

Handmade Marshall JCM800 50watt head (with mods)
Carvin 50x2 Stereo Tube Amp
Boss GT-10 Preamp/Effects Processor
Digitech GSP-1101 Preamp/Effects Processor
Behringer FCB1010 Midi Controlled Floorboard
Behringer Dualfex EX2200
Behinger Stereo EQ
Line 6 POD with 2.3 upgrade
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Line 6 Spider III Practice Amp
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