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post Dec 27 2008, 12:20 AM
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At GMC, English is the language we use to communicate with each other. Of course it is not everybody´s mother tongue, so a lot of GMCers don´t speak/write correct English. I don´t know how you others think, but I personally want to improve my English everywhere I can. Maybe we could start a "Language Improvement Program" which cares about our spelling/grammar/... mistakes. In other words, those who speak English nearly perfectly can correct the "non-English-speakers".
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post Dec 27 2008, 12:24 AM
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Sure, that would be a good thing.
As long as it got it's own place in the forums, so that all threads doesn't get flooded with grammar correction biggrin.gif
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post Dec 27 2008, 12:26 AM
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Very nice idea but you have to think about the time effort for the well engish speaking people.
Then they have to do a lot of work:)



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post Dec 27 2008, 12:27 AM
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QUOTE (audiopaal @ Dec 27 2008, 12:24 AM) *
Sure, that would be a good thing.
As long as it got it's own place in the forums, so that all threads doesn't get flooded with grammar correction biggrin.gif

Don´t know. biggrin.gif
I imagined it like this: members who want to be corrected write in their signatur "I want to be corrected!". When somebody answers them (ontopic), he can also add the grammatical correction.

QUOTE (edguy @ Dec 27 2008, 12:26 AM) *
Very nice idea but you have to think about the time effort for the well engish speaking people.
Then they have to do a lot of work:)

They don´t have to correct the others if they don´t want to. If they post the correction in the post the write in a topic, it would cost only a few seconds.
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post Dec 27 2008, 12:40 AM
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it could work. but people like me use slang all the time and hardly use proper grammar so i dont know how much use i could be haha but many others could correct improper grammar.


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post Dec 27 2008, 12:42 AM
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QUOTE (sigma7 @ Dec 27 2008, 12:40 AM) *
it could work. but people like me use slang all the time and hardly use proper grammar so i dont know how much use i could be haha but many others could correct improper grammar.

laugh.gif If you are not sure about the grammar, just leave it. smile.gif It´s not a must.
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post Dec 27 2008, 12:45 AM
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Of course it is not everybody´s mother tongue, so a lot of GMCers don´t speak/write correct English.


HALT!!! GRAMMAR POLICE!!!!

this should be written

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Of course, it is not everybody´s mother tongue, so a lot of GMCers don´t speak/write correct English


Well, actually, you don't need a comma.... If what you wanted to express emphasis on the fact that English is not everybody's mother tongue, then you would leave that comma out. If you put the comma in it takes some of the emphasis off of that statement.

This is just a nuance of the language, and because of this, it difficult to "correct" posts/entries/whatever...

I usually try to avoid these situations, so that what I am typing doesnt get misinterpreted, so you'll see me do alot of this.... and this.... to denote pauses and such, and separate thoughts. I do this mostly because I find it easier to read than if I put the "correct" punctuation in. And I feel that it is a better way to convey the nuances of my thoughts too tongue.gif
but yeah, you can tell that I write using slang, and such... oh well, I try to write the same way I speak laugh.gif


but yeah, I think that this would be great....

anyone wanna help me with my German?

Ich finde GMC toll! .....I'm not even sure that's correct...

-Chris

EDIT: I'm just noticing this now, and this is a very common mistake, but many people do it...

"If I put the correct punctuation in"

needs to be "If I put in the correct punctuation" in order for it to be called "proper" english

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post Dec 27 2008, 12:45 AM
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post Dec 27 2008, 12:49 AM
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QUOTE (Ctodd @ Dec 27 2008, 12:45 AM) *
HALT!!! GRAMMAR POLICE!!!!

this should be written



Well, actually, you don't need a comma.... If what you wanted to express emphasis on the fact that English is not everybody's mother tongue, then you would leave that comma out. If you put the comma in it takes some of the emphasis off of that statement.

This is just a nuance of the language, and because of this, it difficult to "correct" posts/entries/whatever...

I usually try to avoid these situations, so that what I am typing doesnt get misinterpreted, so you'll see me do alot of this.... and this.... to denote pauses and such, and separate thoughts. I do this mostly because I find it easier to read than if I put the "correct" puncutation in. And I feel that it is a better way to convey the nuances of my thoughts too tongue.gif



but yeah, I think that this would be great....

anyone wanna help me with my German?

Ich finde GMC toll! .....I'm not even sure that's correct...

-Chris

Thanks! I didn´t know it. smile.gif That german sentence is fully correct.

QUOTE (Ramiro Delforte @ Dec 27 2008, 12:45 AM) *
That's a really good idea!

smile.gif Let´s hope it will become reality. Of course, if the majority wants this. smile.gif
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post Dec 27 2008, 01:23 AM
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Sure, I am in for this too. The only problem I see is that people could eventually start taking it personally (of course, that is not the point of it all), but a correction here and there adding up to a lot might be a bit annoying. At least I would probably think so.


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post Dec 27 2008, 01:24 AM
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QUOTE (Caelumamittendum @ Dec 27 2008, 01:23 AM) *
Sure, I am in for this too. The only problem I see is that people could eventually start taking it personally (of course, that is not the point of it all), but a correction here and there adding up to a lot might be a bit annoying. At least I would probably think so.

I considered that too and that´s why people should write in their signature "I want to be corrected!" or something similiar.
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post Dec 27 2008, 01:25 AM
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I agree with Cael. Actually language corrections should be possible, but you should only focus on essential mistakes. Otherwise I think the forum becomes infected with language purists all the way tongue.gif


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post Dec 27 2008, 04:41 AM
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This could be cool - I think the essential thing is that you want to be corrected, otherwise it is bad manners, so the sig idea is a good one!


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post Dec 27 2008, 05:13 AM
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Tolek I suggest you for Founder of language improvement program or LIP laugh.gif


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post Dec 27 2008, 05:36 AM
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I think most of the non-native speakers in this forum are proficient enough such that any major correction made to their grammar would require a lengthy explanation. While I may be inclined to do this every once and a while, I surely will not make a habit of it.... Sorry I just don't have that kind of time.

But I will be glad to point out spelling mistakes, and other simple grammar problems anytime.

and another noteworthy thing here is... should I correct Andrew (or any other person from europe) when he spells the words armor or color "wrong" laugh.gif tongue.gif

...surely not tongue.gif

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P.S. here's a little riddle... puncuate this sentence so that it makes sense, and then "translate" it into normal language.... it CAN be done!

That that is is not that that is not a ham sandwich

sorry if someone already started replying to this... I switched up the riddle

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post Dec 27 2008, 09:19 AM
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QUOTE (Andrew Cockburn @ Dec 27 2008, 04:41 AM) *
This could be cool - I think the essential thing is that you want to be corrected, otherwise it is bad manners, so the sig idea is a good one!

Would be cool if this could be a program at GMC. smile.gif

QUOTE (Pedja Simovic @ Dec 27 2008, 05:13 AM) *
Tolek I suggest you for Founder of language improvement program or LIP laugh.gif

laugh.gif Maybe? biggrin.gif

QUOTE (Ctodd @ Dec 27 2008, 05:36 AM) *
I think most of the non-native speakers in this forum are proficient enough such that any major correction made to their grammar would require a lengthy explanation. While I may be inclined to do this every once and a while, I surely will not make a habit of it.... Sorry I just don't have that kind of time.

But I will be glad to point out spelling mistakes, and other simple grammar problems anytime.

and another noteworthy thing here is... should I correct Andrew (or any other person from europe) when he spells the words armor or color "wrong" laugh.gif tongue.gif

...surely not tongue.gif

-Chris

P.S. here's a little riddle... puncuate this sentence so that it makes sense, and then "translate" it into normal language.... it CAN be done!

That that is is not that that is not a ham sandwich

sorry if someone already started replying to this... I switched up the riddle

That attitude is already fine. I think that native English speakers (or even foreign people who speak English very well, too, such as Kris smile.gif ) just could correct the spelling mistake without explanation. If the "corrected" doesn´t understand it, he can look it up or just ask in the "LIP forum". laugh.gif If there will ever be one! biggrin.gif
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post Dec 27 2008, 12:23 PM
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I want some help on this biggrin.gif

I already ask for help sometimes when I am not absolutely certain if the words I write are correct I put "(sp?)" in front of them waiting for people to correct me


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post Dec 27 2008, 12:32 PM
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QUOTE (Paiva @ Dec 27 2008, 12:23 PM) *
I want some help on this biggrin.gif

I already ask for help sometimes when I am not absolutely certain if the words I write are correct I put "(sp?)" in front of them waiting for people to correct me

I´ve seen this in your posts. smile.gif

Let´s wait for Kris´ reaction to this idea.
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QUOTE (Ctodd @ Dec 27 2008, 12:45 AM) *
HALT!!! GRAMMAR POLICE!!!!

this should be written



Well, actually, you don't need a comma.... If what you wanted to express emphasis on the fact that English is not everybody's mother tongue, then you would leave that comma out. If you put the comma in it takes some of the emphasis off of that statement.

This is just a nuance of the language, and because of this, it difficult to "correct" posts/entries/whatever...

I usually try to avoid these situations, so that what I am typing doesnt get misinterpreted, so you'll see me do alot of this.... and this.... to denote pauses and such, and separate thoughts. I do this mostly because I find it easier to read than if I put the "correct" punctuation in. And I feel that it is a better way to convey the nuances of my thoughts too tongue.gif
but yeah, you can tell that I write using slang, and such... oh well, I try to write the same way I speak laugh.gif


but yeah, I think that this would be great....

anyone wanna help me with my German?

Ich finde GMC toll! .....I'm not even sure that's correct...

-Chris

EDIT: I'm just noticing this now, and this is a very common mistake, but many people do it...

"If I put the correct punctuation in"

needs to be "If I put in the correct punctuation" in order for it to be called "proper" english

Ich finde GMC toll was correct:) Your German is perfect:)


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I'll write it again, as I believe this should get it's own subforum.
If not many threads will get flooded with grammar correction.
I believe it's better to have a Language Improvement Forum, somewhere in GMC smile.gif
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