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 Feb 3 2009, 07:42 PM Post #241 GMC:er Group: Student Instructor Posts: 1.202 Joined: 23-September 08 From: Istanbul Member No.: 5.945 QUOTE (jer @ Feb 3 2009, 08:23 PM) ok gotcha. On to the Aeolian one then.I follow this except for the b7 again. Lets use A for example. Why isnt this called "A minor dominant 7"?do we just call it minor once if there are 2 minors in the chord?Ok, think like this:You know, when we talk about a minor chord, we would surely expect a minor 3rd isnt it? Also when we say the minor scale, we expect that to have a minor3rd with minor6th and minor7th if this is a natural minor. So, when you talk about a Amin7 chord, you expect to have a minor 3rd and a 7th by default. Because this is the natural way. When you have a maj7 there, that is an unusual thing so you must write there, yeah this is a minor chord but it has a major 7! So you write: Amin/maj7. Why dont you call it A minor dominant 7? that is because it is the same thing to say A minor minor7. I know that is a little different from the major point of view, because when you see a major chord you expect that 7th must be a major 7th in the natural way, and you tend to write it like G7. But you cant because to write a major chord with a minor 7th like Gmin7 that way. But this is impossible since you write Gminor with a minor 7th that way. So they chose to write it like Gmaj7 for the major chord with a major7th and G7 the major chord with min7th conventionnaly to prevent misunderstanding. The reasoning here can be a little confusing, but just try to remember thisminor 3rd and minor 7th is called a Xmin7 chordminor 3rd and major 7th is called a Xmin/maj7 chordmajor 3rd and minor 7th is called a X7 chordmajor 3rd and major 7th is called a Xmaj7 chordHope this enlightened the subject a little. Keep the questions coming, I'll answer all of that within my knowledge... -------------------- incoming spoiler read it at your own risk!Spoiler: it, surely, spoiled me!!!and may the force be with you :)
 Feb 3 2009, 07:48 PM Post #242 GMC:er Group: Passive Posts: 1.889 Joined: 3-September 08 From: Des Moines IA USA Member No.: 5.836 ok, I think I follow you here. So, where were we? -------------------- My GearJackson SL-1 USA SoloistJackson DK2MESP LTD MH-400ESP LTD EC-1000Ibanez Custom S-Series Martin 001 AcousticHandmade Marshall JCM800 50watt head (with mods)Carvin 50x2 Stereo Tube AmpBoss GT-10 Preamp/Effects ProcessorDigitech GSP-1101 Preamp/Effects ProcessorBehringer FCB1010 Midi Controlled FloorboardBehringer Dualfex EX2200Behinger Stereo EQLine 6 POD with 2.3 upgradeLine 6 Floor BoardLine 6 Spider III Practice Amp Nady UHF Wireless"Who will eat the decay, when the worms have lost their sight?"
 Feb 3 2009, 07:51 PM Post #243 GMC:er Group: Student Instructor Posts: 1.202 Joined: 23-September 08 From: Istanbul Member No.: 5.945 Ok, we were talking about finding native chords to modes ok? Now we have chords for Ionian / Mixolydian / Aeolian... We have Dorian / Phrygian / Lydian / Locrian left Ok, we were talking about finding native chords to modes ok? Now we have chords for Ionian / Mixolydian / Aeolian... We have Dorian / Phrygian / Lydian / Locrian left -------------------- incoming spoiler read it at your own risk!Spoiler: it, surely, spoiled me!!!and may the force be with you :)
 Feb 3 2009, 08:04 PM Post #244 GMC:er Group: Passive Posts: 1.889 Joined: 3-September 08 From: Des Moines IA USA Member No.: 5.836 I used A for the examples here. CODEDorian     1 2 b3 4 5 6 b7      Ok, the b3 tells me its minor. So lets say     Amin7. Phrygian  1 b2 b3 4 5 b6 b7   OK here we have the same thing…       Amin7 Lydian     1 2 3 #4 5 6 7  Hmmm… all major here….                           Amaj7  Locrian    1 b2 b3 4 b5 b6 b7             There is that dim 5th…                Amin7/dim5 -------------------- My GearJackson SL-1 USA SoloistJackson DK2MESP LTD MH-400ESP LTD EC-1000Ibanez Custom S-Series Martin 001 AcousticHandmade Marshall JCM800 50watt head (with mods)Carvin 50x2 Stereo Tube AmpBoss GT-10 Preamp/Effects ProcessorDigitech GSP-1101 Preamp/Effects ProcessorBehringer FCB1010 Midi Controlled FloorboardBehringer Dualfex EX2200Behinger Stereo EQLine 6 POD with 2.3 upgradeLine 6 Floor BoardLine 6 Spider III Practice Amp Nady UHF Wireless"Who will eat the decay, when the worms have lost their sight?"
 Feb 3 2009, 08:34 PM Post #245 GMC:er Group: Student Instructor Posts: 1.202 Joined: 23-September 08 From: Istanbul Member No.: 5.945 QUOTE (jer @ Feb 3 2009, 09:04 PM) I used A for the examples here. CODEDorian     1 2 b3 4 5 6 b7      Ok, the b3 tells me its minor. So lets say     Amin7. Phrygian  1 b2 b3 4 5 b6 b7   OK here we have the same thing…       Amin7 Lydian     1 2 3 #4 5 6 7  Hmmm… all major here….                           Amaj7  Locrian    1 b2 b3 4 b5 b6 b7             There is that dim 5th…                Amin7/dim5all correct. Just remeber that locrians diminished property is more important than its being minor or major. Here is your priority list:Root is the most important thing in a chord.Next comes the 5th. If 5th is not a perfect 5th, it changes all the feeling the chord. You have 3 options in that. Regular fifth, diminished fifth (noted dim5 or 5-) or augmented 5th (noted aug5 or 5+) Note that if you dont play the regular 5th, it is ok. Even in some playing in extended chords like 13th that requires 7 strings in guitar, you can omit the 5th and play it in 6 stringed guitar. That is because because of some physics reasons about string vibration, you already have the note of the perfect 5th in root note already. After that you have 3rd. When you have a regular perfect 5th on your chord, minor 3rd/major 3rd in a chord defines everything. After that comes 7th, 9th, 11th and 13th...Lets list the chords of the modes:Ionian : maj7Dorian : min7Phyrigian : min7 Lydian: maj7Mixolydian: dominant7Aeolian: min7Locrian: dim5so the best way to play these scales are with the backing of these chords... When there is some chord progression, you actually have to choose the right mode... Is that ok? -------------------- incoming spoiler read it at your own risk!Spoiler: it, surely, spoiled me!!!and may the force be with you :)
 Feb 3 2009, 09:03 PM Post #246 GMC:er Group: Passive Posts: 1.889 Joined: 3-September 08 From: Des Moines IA USA Member No.: 5.836 yeah, that makes sense.So, lets say I was playing this chord progression.E5 D5 A5 B5We have the notes E, F#, A, B, D (yes?)And we determine that the key of the progression is Emin. (starts on E, and Emin has E, F#, G, A, B, C, D)So we can solo in Emin. We know that. If we look at E Aeolian and the sequence of modes, does that mean that we could also use these?E AeolianF# LocrianG IonianA DorianB PhrygianC LydianD MixolydianSince all 7 of those have the same notes? -------------------- My GearJackson SL-1 USA SoloistJackson DK2MESP LTD MH-400ESP LTD EC-1000Ibanez Custom S-Series Martin 001 AcousticHandmade Marshall JCM800 50watt head (with mods)Carvin 50x2 Stereo Tube AmpBoss GT-10 Preamp/Effects ProcessorDigitech GSP-1101 Preamp/Effects ProcessorBehringer FCB1010 Midi Controlled FloorboardBehringer Dualfex EX2200Behinger Stereo EQLine 6 POD with 2.3 upgradeLine 6 Floor BoardLine 6 Spider III Practice Amp Nady UHF Wireless"Who will eat the decay, when the worms have lost their sight?"
 Feb 3 2009, 09:03 PM Post #247 GMC:er Group: Student Instructor Posts: 1.202 Joined: 23-September 08 From: Istanbul Member No.: 5.945 Ok, thats ok for today I think. I will write comments on your videos, what do you plan on doing tonight? -------------------- incoming spoiler read it at your own risk!Spoiler: it, surely, spoiled me!!!and may the force be with you :)
 Feb 3 2009, 09:12 PM Post #248 GMC:er Group: Passive Posts: 1.889 Joined: 3-September 08 From: Des Moines IA USA Member No.: 5.836 oh man, at least tell me if I'm right on that last post. Tonight. 20 min - Tantarella - I plan on adding in the next part for this. 20 min - AIC - I'm not consistent enough at the -30 bpm so I'm not sure if speeding it up will do any good. 20 min - trooper - I cant seem to get that 1st repeating run down at even half speed. And I cant find where in the beat it starts. I posted this earlier. Got any ideas here? How would you finger that? How do I count into it? I dont want to burn up multiple nights not getting anywhere if there is something I am missing. -------------------- My GearJackson SL-1 USA SoloistJackson DK2MESP LTD MH-400ESP LTD EC-1000Ibanez Custom S-Series Martin 001 AcousticHandmade Marshall JCM800 50watt head (with mods)Carvin 50x2 Stereo Tube AmpBoss GT-10 Preamp/Effects ProcessorDigitech GSP-1101 Preamp/Effects ProcessorBehringer FCB1010 Midi Controlled FloorboardBehringer Dualfex EX2200Behinger Stereo EQLine 6 POD with 2.3 upgradeLine 6 Floor BoardLine 6 Spider III Practice Amp Nady UHF Wireless"Who will eat the decay, when the worms have lost their sight?"
 Feb 3 2009, 09:32 PM Post #249 GMC:er Group: Student Instructor Posts: 1.202 Joined: 23-September 08 From: Istanbul Member No.: 5.945 QUOTE (jer @ Feb 3 2009, 10:03 PM) yeah, that makes sense.So, lets say I was playing this chord progression.E5 D5 A5 B5We have the notes E, F#, A, B, D (yes?)And we determine that the key of the progression is Emin. (starts on E, and Emin has E, F#, G, A, B, C, D)So we can solo in Emin. We know that. If we look at E Aeolian and the sequence of modes, does that mean that we could also use these?E AeolianF# LocrianG IonianA DorianB PhrygianC LydianD MixolydianSince all 7 of those have the same notes?sorry buddy you added this just before I wrote my own post Ok, we will use Emin that is for sure, but we have to think like this:E5 D5 A5 B5We will play E aeolian when E5 is there, then we will start to think like D Mixolydian while D5 is played, When A5 is played we will think like we have a A dorian, and with B5 we'll think like we are soloing in B Phrygian. Yes, notes are the same but think like our root is constantly changing with chord changes. Ofcourse when we do that, it means we are playing in an extremely theoretical way. You can keep this simple, you can use Emin over the whole chord progression but try to play notes that have some kind of relation with root notes of progressing chords(like 3rd 5th etc) but in related modes... You know, there is no certain formula to play a good solo, and music is an art not maths, so you play with your heart while improvising but you need to follow this kind of rules to keep things more secure and simple.Ok, I believe for tonight you'll notice you are playing AIC more consistently, solo for trooper will need you to play it as slow as you can possibly. But you'll speed up on this faster than other exercises. I have to check fingerings for that, can you give me the bar number for the parts you have problems? Its ok for tantarella... -------------------- incoming spoiler read it at your own risk!Spoiler: it, surely, spoiled me!!!and may the force be with you :)
 Feb 3 2009, 09:49 PM Post #250 GMC:er Group: Passive Posts: 1.889 Joined: 3-September 08 From: Des Moines IA USA Member No.: 5.836 QUOTE We will play E aeolian when E5 is there, then we will start to think like D Mixolydian while D5 is played, When A5 is played we will think like we have a A dorian, and with B5 we'll think like we are soloing in B Phrygian. Yes, notes are the same but think like our root is constantly changing with chord changes. Ofcourse when we do that, it means we are playing in an extremely theoretical way. You can keep this simple, you can use Emin over the whole chord progression but try to play notes that have some kind of relation with root notes of progressing chords(like 3rd 5th etc) but in related modes... You know, there is no certain formula to play a good solo, and music is an art not maths, so you play with your heart while improvising but you need to follow this kind of rules to keep things more secure and simple.Yep, I'm with ya 100%. Thats what I think too. And thats what I meant by the mode choices I used. QUOTE solo for trooper will need you to play it as slow as you can possibly. But you'll speed up on this faster than other exercises. I have to check fingerings for that, can you give me the bar number for the parts you have problems?Bar 94 -------------------- My GearJackson SL-1 USA SoloistJackson DK2MESP LTD MH-400ESP LTD EC-1000Ibanez Custom S-Series Martin 001 AcousticHandmade Marshall JCM800 50watt head (with mods)Carvin 50x2 Stereo Tube AmpBoss GT-10 Preamp/Effects ProcessorDigitech GSP-1101 Preamp/Effects ProcessorBehringer FCB1010 Midi Controlled FloorboardBehringer Dualfex EX2200Behinger Stereo EQLine 6 POD with 2.3 upgradeLine 6 Floor BoardLine 6 Spider III Practice Amp Nady UHF Wireless"Who will eat the decay, when the worms have lost their sight?"
 Feb 3 2009, 10:21 PM Post #251 GMC:er Group: Student Instructor Posts: 1.202 Joined: 23-September 08 From: Istanbul Member No.: 5.945 ok, in bar 94, you have a bending rock cliché, I would play this by placing my middle finger on 14th fret on G string, place my index to 12th fret in B string, and bend the 14th up to place play the 12th on B and using my ring play the 15th fret on B string. Another way to play that (especially if you have hard time bending the string up to right note) using index finger to fret 12th fret on B, use your ring on 14th fret on G string and bend with the help of middle finger and play the 15th fret on B string with the pinky. Its up to you to choose -------------------- incoming spoiler read it at your own risk!Spoiler: it, surely, spoiled me!!!and may the force be with you :)
 Feb 3 2009, 10:37 PM Post #252 GMC:er Group: Passive Posts: 1.889 Joined: 3-September 08 From: Des Moines IA USA Member No.: 5.836 yep, those are the two ways I've been trying it. A full bend is 2 frets yes?Bending that note that far and then quickly releasing and getting to the next note at the speed this is at is appearing darn near impossible to me. -------------------- My GearJackson SL-1 USA SoloistJackson DK2MESP LTD MH-400ESP LTD EC-1000Ibanez Custom S-Series Martin 001 AcousticHandmade Marshall JCM800 50watt head (with mods)Carvin 50x2 Stereo Tube AmpBoss GT-10 Preamp/Effects ProcessorDigitech GSP-1101 Preamp/Effects ProcessorBehringer FCB1010 Midi Controlled FloorboardBehringer Dualfex EX2200Behinger Stereo EQLine 6 POD with 2.3 upgradeLine 6 Floor BoardLine 6 Spider III Practice Amp Nady UHF Wireless"Who will eat the decay, when the worms have lost their sight?"
 Feb 3 2009, 10:51 PM Post #253 GMC:er Group: Student Instructor Posts: 1.202 Joined: 23-September 08 From: Istanbul Member No.: 5.945 QUOTE (jer @ Feb 3 2009, 11:37 PM) yep, those are the two ways I've been trying it. A full bend is 2 frets yes?Bending that note that far and then quickly releasing and getting to the next note at the speed this is at is appearing darn near impossible to me.A full bend is 2 frets, and at full bend [email protected] will be unison with [email protected], and one last thing, you dont change your position. Dont take your bend fingers away. Keep them there in the place, use mentioned fingers to play the other notes that is to say:Put your index to [email protected] put your middle and ring to [email protected] Pick the G string, bend the [email protected] and keep that there, pick B string ([email protected] will ring) place your pinky to [email protected](while doing this still keep your other fingers in their place) pick B string ([email protected] will ring) take your pinky away(string mustnt ring), release the bend(without sound) pick G string bend the 14th, pick B string ([email protected] will ring) put your pinky at 15th. This is the cycle. Perform that slow, and eventually you'll start to do this in a flashing speed... -------------------- incoming spoiler read it at your own risk!Spoiler: it, surely, spoiled me!!!and may the force be with you :)
 Feb 3 2009, 11:29 PM Post #254 GMC:er Group: Passive Posts: 1.889 Joined: 3-September 08 From: Des Moines IA USA Member No.: 5.836 ok, this will be on the video tonight. Thanks. -------------------- My GearJackson SL-1 USA SoloistJackson DK2MESP LTD MH-400ESP LTD EC-1000Ibanez Custom S-Series Martin 001 AcousticHandmade Marshall JCM800 50watt head (with mods)Carvin 50x2 Stereo Tube AmpBoss GT-10 Preamp/Effects ProcessorDigitech GSP-1101 Preamp/Effects ProcessorBehringer FCB1010 Midi Controlled FloorboardBehringer Dualfex EX2200Behinger Stereo EQLine 6 POD with 2.3 upgradeLine 6 Floor BoardLine 6 Spider III Practice Amp Nady UHF Wireless"Who will eat the decay, when the worms have lost their sight?"
 Feb 3 2009, 11:37 PM Post #255 GMC:er Group: Student Instructor Posts: 1.202 Joined: 23-September 08 From: Istanbul Member No.: 5.945 QUOTE (jer @ Feb 4 2009, 12:29 AM) ok, this will be on the video tonight. Thanks.np man glad I could help -------------------- incoming spoiler read it at your own risk!Spoiler: it, surely, spoiled me!!!and may the force be with you :)
 Feb 4 2009, 05:44 AM Post #256 GMC:er Group: Passive Posts: 1.889 Joined: 3-September 08 From: Des Moines IA USA Member No.: 5.836 just did a 15min warmupbeginner strumming/arpeggiosstring skipping exerciseKris' Bending ExerciseLosfer WordsThen I had to stop and put my daughter back to bed....Then 20 min on Tantarella The video is a couple times at 90bpm then once or twice at the full 120. I find it easier to play at full speed, except for the one part that you see me keep messing up. I have to tack on the last lick and at least I’ll know it all by memory. 20 min on AIC. All at -20 solo only. Trooper video coming.... -------------------- My GearJackson SL-1 USA SoloistJackson DK2MESP LTD MH-400ESP LTD EC-1000Ibanez Custom S-Series Martin 001 AcousticHandmade Marshall JCM800 50watt head (with mods)Carvin 50x2 Stereo Tube AmpBoss GT-10 Preamp/Effects ProcessorDigitech GSP-1101 Preamp/Effects ProcessorBehringer FCB1010 Midi Controlled FloorboardBehringer Dualfex EX2200Behinger Stereo EQLine 6 POD with 2.3 upgradeLine 6 Floor BoardLine 6 Spider III Practice Amp Nady UHF Wireless"Who will eat the decay, when the worms have lost their sight?"
 Feb 4 2009, 06:01 AM Post #257 Learning Tone Seeker Group: Members Posts: 2.054 Joined: 2-September 08 Member No.: 5.825 Jer, One suggestion. Anytime you come across a lick like the AIC lick at the end where you make mistakes you need to isolate that portion of the lick and make an excercise out of it. If you are having a tough time with that at -30 then drop just that portion of the lick down to -50 or -60 and loop the lick. Then slowly crank up the speed. What is happening is you are playing the solo great until you get to that part and then you are screwing up. Then you go all the way back to the beginning, start over and screw up again. Isolate just that lick, work it up to speed and THEN play the whole thing through. Sorry for butting in Can. I'll go to bed now. Monte This post has been edited by lcsdds: Feb 4 2009, 06:08 AM
 Feb 4 2009, 06:51 AM Post #258 GMC:er Group: Passive Posts: 1.889 Joined: 3-September 08 From: Des Moines IA USA Member No.: 5.836 20 min on the trooper. Lots of talking in the video. You’ll see what’s happening. hmmmmm, this cut off earlier than it was supposed to.... Dont know why. I still have the longer one. Gonna see if I can fix it. uploading the second part now.Monte, Thanks for the input man. That makes a lot of sense. I think (rather I know) that I feel a lot of pressure to get this stuff done. Like its so simple and I shouldnt be taking this long to do it. Maybe its self induced, maybe it isnt, I dont know....That is making me want to move faster than I think I should. Part 2 of my trooper video -------------------- My GearJackson SL-1 USA SoloistJackson DK2MESP LTD MH-400ESP LTD EC-1000Ibanez Custom S-Series Martin 001 AcousticHandmade Marshall JCM800 50watt head (with mods)Carvin 50x2 Stereo Tube AmpBoss GT-10 Preamp/Effects ProcessorDigitech GSP-1101 Preamp/Effects ProcessorBehringer FCB1010 Midi Controlled FloorboardBehringer Dualfex EX2200Behinger Stereo EQLine 6 POD with 2.3 upgradeLine 6 Floor BoardLine 6 Spider III Practice Amp Nady UHF Wireless"Who will eat the decay, when the worms have lost their sight?"