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post Jan 14 2009, 09:34 PM
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I'm really struggling with the legato exercise. I suck sad.gif



I've uploaded me trying. I can't do it. It really is hurting my fingers a lot also sad.gif Also I know that I don't do it on the beat but I did when it was live. I just for some reason but it on the offbeat now.

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I will listen to it. Don't worry ..

Don't force it !! Do those exercise for just a few minutes and then stop. It will become easier with time.


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Just saw your video! Don't worry OC, this is harder as it looks like. I only can repeat. This is NOT a speed training exercise !!
Do it much slower. I guess you used 80 bpm, right? Use 60 and stick to one shape only, so that you really can concentrate on each finger.

Example:
I noticed in your video, your index finger has the less attack. When you change the shape, the index is more doing a slide as a hammer-on. This is why it is important to do it really slow, so that you know what each finger is doing.

Remember:
- do it slow
- only one shape
- equalize each finger ( focus on the index for a while)
- only a short time, stop immediately when you start to get tensed !

Leave it for now, play something fun smile.gif and from time to time come back to it. Alright ? .. smile.gif







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QUOTE (OrganisedConfusion @ Jan 14 2009, 01:45 PM) *
What a silly error with the tab lol. I know you don't have an Ab in as I listed the notes you play above for each chord in the key of Bb laugh.gif I'm just a bit of a fool and yeah some of the stretches are quite tricky for me but it's helping me and I'm gradually getting better at doing legato with larger stretches thanks to this. My theory is vastly improved over the last 4 or 5 months. Any chance on you putting together a mini theory quiz including scale, interval and harmonising knowledge? That would really help me as PhD students love quizzes lol tongue.gif laugh.gif I'm sad I know.

laugh.gif , happens, but good job otherwise ! ... too many frets on the guitar smile.gif
This was just for theory and now i know that you have some knowledge here, great.
I'm not a theory master, but i'm working actually on some theory learning tools in flash for myself. Maybe you can do test drive one day(?). I will try to give you a little quiz from time to time.

QUOTE (OrganisedConfusion @ Jan 14 2009, 01:45 PM) *
As for the collabs. I normally whack the backing in to my DAW and record every take and when I'm happy with bits through improvising I keep them in and then try and play those bits in every take whilst improvising the other bits. That collab however was 100% improvised lol as you could probably tell. I'm a huge fan of bands like Nirvana, Soundgarden, Mudhoney, Alice In Chains and Pearl Jam who used to do really screamy and at times anti guitar solos. I learnt a lot from them and even though they have bad habits nothing excites me more than a screaming guitar that is at the point of breaking up completely as you have to really listen hard to find the melody at the back that they are trying to get across.

For me this approach works best as well by now, so you do it quite similar and obviously do progress in improvisation. Muris confirmed this once if i remember right. smile.gif

I was and still am a big Pearl Jam fan, especially Eddie Vedder. I love when bands have a massive sound and you can feel the guitar player have to fight to keep the sound under control. It's not the best approach for practicing, but those are my roots in rock music as well.

QUOTE (OrganisedConfusion @ Jan 14 2009, 01:45 PM) *
I can't wait for my next session tomorrow as the Phrygian lesson will be in my practice regime for a while until I can really get my vibrato better. Is my tone quite poor at times or is it not too bad but rather my technique with vibrato and bends that would make my playing that much stronger?

Yes, continue on the phrygian lesson. You can play it now, use it to work on technics like bends, vibrato .. try different slide-ins (slow, quick).

Your sound is for sure not poor. I like it, quite clean. A good sound for practicing, but it makes you life maybe not easy sometimes. Everybody have an different opinion about it. Some people say you have to practice with an clean sound to really hear everything. Which is true. But i want to have fun while practicing and sound is really important for me. So i try to find a compromise smile.gif

You have a toneport, right? Play with different sounds or download some. Different sounds creates new ideas in my opinion. Your guitar can react completely different as you are used to with your current sound.


QUOTE (OrganisedConfusion @ Jan 14 2009, 01:45 PM) *
Thanks for your mentoring as I think you are doing it brilliantly. I understand everything you say and agree with your comments fully and you're helping me get to being a better guitarist and we aren't just learning licks. These exercises will help me with anything I do in the future. So thanks again and I look forward to tomorrow. I'm going to try my hardest to get something recorded tonight but it depends on how things go. I played guitar for 7 hours last night and hurt my hand a bit but recorded several riffs for my virtual band, a collaboration, the legato exercise, the alternate picking exercise and also the phrygian practice as well as working on riffs for my real bands songs. smile.gif

Cheers Andy. You're a very inspirational guitarist who makes me want to get better. smile.gif


You played 7 hours? Man, i'm exhausted when i play that long .. but happy smile.gif
Thanks OC, i really have a lot of fun here with you. I'm not sure if i'm always right in what i say as it's just base on my own experiences and i'm not used to give advise really. I hope you will get some benefit out of it, but be patient and don't get frustrated at some point. I always look for some shortcuts ... but can not find one smile.gif







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post Jan 15 2009, 01:23 AM
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Hey man. Cheers for the comments. A theory quiz would be great. I know my theory a fair bit and I'm progressing quickly with it smile.gif Pearl Jam are incredible live and Eddie Vedder is just amazing to me. I do have a toneport for recording and I kind of only use 3 settings I've created depending on song. I need to create more I feel and play around but the worst problem I have is transfering any sort of decent tone to my band. I really struggle but I guess I would as I only use a Metal Zone pedal sad.gif

I'm quite happy that I play guitar because I can jam along with some simple songs like Pearl Jam and Audioslave and enjoy them lots. It gives me great pleasure being able to play them and I'm very thankful. Can I send you a link to me trying to sing lol? I don't want others to hear laugh.gif


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post Jan 15 2009, 01:44 AM
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QUOTE (OrganisedConfusion @ Jan 15 2009, 01:23 AM) *
Hey man. Cheers for the comments. A theory quiz would be great. I know my theory a fair bit and I'm progressing quickly with it smile.gif Pearl Jam are incredible live and Eddie Vedder is just amazing to me. I do have a toneport for recording and I kind of only use 3 settings I've created depending on song. I need to create more I feel and play around but the worst problem I have is transfering any sort of decent tone to my band. I really struggle but I guess I would as I only use a Metal Zone pedal sad.gif

I'm quite happy that I play guitar because I can jam along with some simple songs like Pearl Jam and Audioslave and enjoy them lots. It gives me great pleasure being able to play them and I'm very thankful. Can I send you a link to me trying to sing lol? I don't want others to hear laugh.gif


I'll try to put some theory questions together. Good exercise for me as well smile.gif

Yes, good sound, a never ending story smile.gif. I don't have an amp by now. My complete gear burned a few years ago in an house fire. A nice amp, few guitars, effects sad.gif .. just my strat survived smile.gif. But i'm quite happy with my POD XT Live at the moment and i guess i will get an amp again soon.

This is what guitar playing is supposed to be, to have fun and enjoy to play the music you like.

Sure, send me a link or i will send you my email address via PM. Would like to hear it smile.gif




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post Jan 15 2009, 02:01 AM
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Cool I sent you the link obviously by PM but it isn't to do with guitar mentoring I guess for thanks for your time and I'm dying to know what Session 2 is lol. And those workouts are going to be done every day. I need to get something to wrap around top of my guitar to mute strings.


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post Jan 15 2009, 11:55 AM
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Resume: Session #1

Each session will cover different topics, but for you it should not stop there. Take the time and come back to each topic and continue from there. For this i would like to give you a small resume of what we have done.

Our first session was Muris's - Phrygian Soloing (Beginner) lesson. A nice solo, which you played really well and you did some great progress between the two uploaded takes. I think you got an idea how to use technics like slide-ins and legato to make a solo more connected and in this case more smooth. Bends and vibrato need a long time, but you started to focus on this during this lesson. Choose some lessons of the same kind, easy nice melodies, long notes and apply the same tools. Just continue like that and all will come together. Here are some examples for you to continue on your own:

Muris's - Beginner Solo in D
Muris's - Harmonic Minor for Beginner

You did your first experiences with hammer-on and pull-off exercises. You told me you feel some progress, but you mentioned as well that it is stressful for your left hand. This is completely normal and you have to be patient and of course careful with that. Take your time. Try to integrate them slowly into your regular practice routine.

You worked on the alternate picking exercise, but i don't know how this was going for you. Maybe upload a take when you feel ready or if you have questions. We will continue with this with the goal to integrate them as a part of your daily routine.

As an theory extension, i gave you a little quiz to transpose the legato shapes along the fretboard (key of Bb Major). Which you managed to do on the b and g string. Task and easier would have been to stay on e and b string and transpose them here, but this doesn't matter as you understood the structure of each shape as chord notes (root, 3rd, 5th, 7th).



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I will upload a take of the Alternate Picking exercise to show you my progress and I'm going to continue with them in my daily practice smile.gif Can't wait for session 2. I'm going to work harder this week and not give up so easily. My hand hurt a lot yesterday but it is better today. smile.gif

I was also going to ask. Are there any lessons that talk about how to do vibrato better. I'm practicing it on Muris' Phrygian lesson like we discussed but I'm not sure I know how to improve it if you know what I mean. I know what vibrato sounds like but I'm not too sure on how it's done well or how to get to it being done well and when I know I'm on the right track.


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post Jan 15 2009, 12:17 PM
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OC I found this video a few months ago. It might be helpful. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7c9UqbkjC6k *leaves*


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SESSION #2

1 LESSON - Main Part

Now it's time for some rhythm guitar and you have a choice between a few lessons from Joe Kataldo's "I got Rhythm Guitar" series. You should try to do at least one lesson from each group, Chords A and Rhythm B, because it will cover two different technics of rhythm guitar.

A : Chord Picking:
Both lessons are quite similar, but the picking is a bit different. I suggest you to get first familiar with the chord progression and after concentrate on the picking. Which is not complicated, but to play it really constant can be a challenge. Joe did four lessons with this technic. Here are the first two (I and II):
Joe's - Arpeggiated Chords I
Joe's - Arpeggiated Chords II

Goal:
  • fret the chords really clean (each note counts)
  • keep the picking constant and equal (smooth)
  • be careful when changing from one chord to another, as fluid as possible, avoid string noise
  • most important, keep the rhythm !


B : Rhythm Picking/Riffing:
You should not have any problems with this lesson, but it has to be played really tight. Focus on that. Read and listen to Joe's explanation. Even if palm muting is not new for you. To find the good spot between muting and still hearing the different notes is not easy. This is not a fast lesson, so you should be ok with joe's backings he provided.
Joe's - I Got Rhythm Guitar 2 - Palm Muting

The Muted Arpeggios Lesson can be a bit difficult, but there are a lot repetitive shapes. Once you have them down you can concentrate on constant alternate picking and muting. Choose a speed which is comfortable for you. Joe provided backings from 80 bpm to 90 bpm. You can and should use my drum loops from session #1 to practice at slower speed first. No need to play the complete lesson. I would prefer you play the first 4 bars clean and repeat this shape a few times instead the whole lesson with timing mistakes.
Joe's - I Got Rhythm Guitar 5 - Muted Arpeggios

Goal:
  • play as tight as possible
  • check out different amount of muting with your palm
  • try to find a nice dry sound, a bit but not too much distortion, no delay
  • and again, .. most important, keep the rhythm !


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2 Legato Exercises - additional part (hammer-on/pull-off)

I initially planed to extend the same exercise over 3-Strings in this session. Workouts are really useful, but really demanding as well for your hands. It is important to integrate them slowly into your practice routine. I realized that it would be to early to go further after only one week. I would like you to continue with the same exercise in this session.

Keep the following points in mind:
  • do it slow (use 60 bpm drum loop from session #1)
  • each shape on it's own (first Bbmaj7, then Cm7)
  • only for a short time (<few minutes), but a few times during your practice session
  • stop immediately when you start to get tensed !

Goal:
  • to strengthen your fingers
  • be really accurate with each note (equal to each other)
  • keep constant rhythm (most important)


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3 Alternate Picking - additional part

We continue with the same alternate picking exercise from session #1, but i give you the second shape (bar 5-8). Again a simplified version of Muris's "C Minor Picking Etude". This shape involves to skip the b string. Again, the goal is NOT to play this exercise at 160bpm. Use my drum loops from session #1 and start with 60 bpm.

Goal:
  • keeping each stroke really steady, even when you change to the next string (skip one string)
  • to learn the switch between 4 picks and 3 picks per note (all 16th notes)
  • up- and down strokes all the time

With this second shape, you will have the two different picking patterns mainly used in this (simplified) lesson. I have edited Muris's complete GP file in the same way. You can continue if you like, but as said previously, you want to focus on the right hand, so the left hand should not need any effort. Really feel each stroke and gradually increase speed if you want. Important is control, not speed! Observe your right hand and try to be as relaxed as possible. I suggest you to experiment with different picking angles or attack you use to pick the strings, before increasing speed.

Attached File  MTP_ex_Alternate_picking_etude_simplified_5_8.gp5 ( 2.29K ) Number of downloads: 54
Attached File  muris_alternate_picking_etude_simple.gp5 ( 8.61K ) Number of downloads: 60


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Deadlines mad.gif :
I think we found now a weekly rhythm. Focus this week on the main part "rhythm lessons" and integrate slowly and step by step the workouts.
Upload multiple takes if you like. I will try to give quickly feedback or suggestions, which you can try to apply in your next take.

Have fun OC and i am really looking forward to hear your takes .. smile.gif

Andy

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Cheers Andy, Thanks for putting the time into this. I think this week I'm going to practice more and wait before uploading a bit longer. So I will try and post a number of these lessons as videos at a similar time. I love Joe's lessons as he is a great solid guitarist especially when it comes to all different kinds of rhythms. He isn't a bad lead player also.

I will post videos when I have practiced them a lot but can't practice till tomorrow when I will have another 6+ hour session. I will make sure I get a video of everything up this month wherever I'm upto with it and then I can progress with them.

Also cheers Mandos for the link. I will check it out when I'm home from work and band practice.


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Yes, Joe's lessons are awesome. He really is a solid player and i just love to observe his hand in his videos, so relaxed.

You noticed maybe it's all about picking this time. Leave the legato exercise for a while and concentrate on your picking. You don't need to nail the complete lesson before posting a take. Just a part would be ok first to see how you are doing with your right hand and timing.

Vibrato. I honestly have to say i'm not really happy with my own vibrato at the moment and have the feeling i do something wrong. I do the same solo lessons as you by now to focus a bit more on that. Not sure i can give some good advise here. Mandos link seems to be interesting, maybe it's a good starting point. But i keep this in mind and try to find some help for you.


Thanks Mandos ... smile.gif

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Here is my take for section A of this weeks session smile.gif I fluffed one note at 15 seconds approximately. I was gutted lol. But I think I have the lesson alright. Maybe not though. I will see what you have to say smile.gif

Again I recorded it live but had to sync it with backing as I haven;'t figured out how to do smooth live recording yet.



Here is my take for section A Video 2. I struggled more with this one and again there is one slightly fluffed bit at 37 seconds.



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Wohoo OC, that was great .. both lessons !!
You obviously don't have a problem to play this kind of background guitar. Already the "Strumming and Arpeggios lesson" you did quite well.

Here a few points, but only if you want me to be really picky smile.gif.

Arpeggiated Chords I
Yes, as you said, a bit noisy at 14 sec. not a big deal, but means maybe that you are still not 100% confident.

Joe is playing this lessons with DOWN - DOWN - DOWN - UP strokes. There are no universal written rules how to pick these chords, but try it for yourself maybe it will feel suddenly much more comfortable.

The backing is a bit loud (a lot of bass) and i can not really hear the root note of each chord. Means, i can not say a lot if your strokes are really constant and equal to each other (attack), but the timing sounds ok for me just wanted to mention this.

Arpeggiated Chords I
The first not is a bit too early smile.gif. I know this problem really, a bit like i need a moment to click in the rhythm. Just keep this in mind. I'm sure when you will do some recordings you really will have to fight with this to have the first not exact and play the first chord/bar in time.

You used joe's suggested picking, which makes sense here, but did you used alternate picking on the first bar/chord and change afterwards? Not sure if i saw this right on the video. You should be careful with this and not making this a habit. For sure there is a change in sound when you do this. I have the impression when you play this with alt. picking it sounds more smooth, your UP stroke sounds more accented. It's good to be aware about this as you can use it as a tool .. maybe in some cases you want to accent the notes a bit more, but in general you should try to equalize this.

After the strummed chord you continue with DOWN strokes only, does this feels more comfortable for you?


We really look in details now and what i mentioned above are just some pointers. Keep them in mind when you play things like that. Your long-term goal should be that this technic does not need any efforts and you can fully concentrate on the chords you play. Really well played otherwise. Congrats OC smile.gif

Are you up for the other lessons as well? There are really fun !!






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QUOTE (wrk @ Jan 17 2009, 05:21 PM) *
Are you up for the other lessons as well? There are really fun !!

haha. Just laughing at this. Give me chance lol tongue.gif I learnt those 2 lessons this morning and posted. I will do the others but going to have a little break tongue.gif

I agree full with what you say. You really are a good mentor as you spot things that I notice and what I don't. If you look in both videos I don't have a usual way to picking the chords. I sometimes use alternate picking, strictly down strokes and strictly upstrokes but I keep mixing them in my playing in a recording as a very bad habit. I need to get out of doing it. I see what you mean about picking the bass note of chord it is hard to hear but it did ring out fine here I think it just wasn't picked up for some reason because of my recording technique that I also need to improve. The timing I hear but it may have been my syncing issue which was a big question I was going to add here and I will ask it below.

How can you record live and well? I record my toneport ux2 sound whilst recording video in movie make over the backing which I play in media player. I then sync the two in movie maker afterwards. Is there a better way to do this and record over the backing as I record both my playing and backing on video?

I am alright at these lessons but the problem is when you up the tempo my technique errors make it slower for me so hopefully over the month when things start becoming a bit trickier possibly you may see some errors coming out more often but you're right I don't tend to have problems with this stuff which is strange as arpeggios aren't used in my bands songs really. Well in one of them only. And it is at 80bpm so very slow.

Thanks for the feedback. I will work on the other lesson in B category now smile.gif Cheers man.

Also Part B is what I really struggle on. Not the parm muting but just picking it lol. I suck laugh.gif


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Here is another video for this week. I can't get the video in time with the backing sad.gif I think it's nearly there but I think this needs work. I only practiced it for 10 minutes but it certainly shows on this one sad.gif



I know it's rubbish but I'm rubbish biggrin.gif


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Just to let you know I will probably have a rest tomorrow as I did 6-7 hours of guitaring today and yesterday so I will try and relax my arms a bit tomorrow. I may get a bit done but I will wait for your feedback and try and improve on the 3 posted for this session. I will try and upload alternate picking exercise when I get chance smile.gif Hope you had a good night out. I'm off to bed as it's 3am biggrin.gif


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QUOTE (OrganisedConfusion @ Jan 17 2009, 06:36 PM) *
haha. Just laughing at this. Give me chance lol tongue.gif I learnt those 2 lessons this morning and posted. I will do the others but going to have a little break tongue.gif

I agree full with what you say. You really are a good mentor as you spot things that I notice and what I don't. If you look in both videos I don't have a usual way to picking the chords. I sometimes use alternate picking, strictly down strokes and strictly upstrokes but I keep mixing them in my playing in a recording as a very bad habit. I need to get out of doing it. I see what you mean about picking the bass note of chord it is hard to hear but it did ring out fine here. I think it just wasn't picked up for some reason because of my recording technique that I also need to improve. The timing I hear but it may have been my syncing issue which was a big question I was going to add here and I will ask it below.

smile.gif .. you deserve a break, no problem ! Concerning the "Arpeggiated Chords" lessons. You can upload of course a new take if you like, but timing is ok here, which is the most important. The inconsistencies in your picking you will not fix within a few day. Keep this in mind and practice this until it becomes natural.

Means we still have few days left to look at another rhythm guitar technic smile.gif

QUOTE (OrganisedConfusion @ Jan 17 2009, 06:36 PM) *
How can you record live and well? I record my toneport ux2 sound whilst recording video in movie make over the backing which I play in media player. I then sync the two in movie maker afterwards. Is there a better way to do this and record over the backing as I record both my playing and backing on video?

I think thats the way to do to sync video and audio afterwards. I have them in separated applications as well. I use mac software (GarageBand and iMovie), but the process is the same.

If i understand you right you record, your video, backing audio and guitar all at the same time and backing and guitar need to be synchronized afterwards, right? Thats a bit complicated i think. The best would be to have the backing already in your DAW and record the guitar on a separated track. Now we have the problem that the backing track question is some kind of "grey zone" here at GMC smile.gif. As you know you can ask the instructor to send it to you or for example record it before. I think for practicing purpose this is more or less tolerated by GMC (?). I practice a lot with the online audio player, the loop function is great, but at certain point when you go in details it is helpful to have it local in your DAW. To match sounds, or loop certain parts by keeping the beat ..


QUOTE (OrganisedConfusion @ Jan 17 2009, 06:36 PM) *
I am alright at these lessons but the problem is when you up the tempo my technique errors make it slower for me so hopefully over the month when things start becoming a bit trickier possibly you may see some errors coming out more often but you're right I don't tend to have problems with this stuff which is strange as arpeggios aren't used in my bands songs really. Well in one of them only. And it is at 80bpm so very slow.

Of course, when you play these things faster your picking habits become a problem. So it was good that we did these lessons and you are aware of this now.
Great that it feels easy for you, i have problems with stuff like this as i don't do it really often. I tend to use fingerpicking instead as it is easier for me, but the sound is of course different and i should work on this.



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QUOTE (wrk @ Jan 18 2009, 10:35 AM) *
If i understand you right you record, your video, backing audio and guitar all at the same time and backing and guitar need to be synchronized afterwards, right? Thats a bit complicated i think. The best would be to have the backing already in your DAW and record the guitar on a separated track. Now we have the problem that the backing track question is some kind of "grey zone" here at GMC smile.gif. As you know you can ask the instructor to send it to you or for example record it before. I think for practicing purpose this is more or less tolerated by GMC (?). I practice a lot with the online audio player, the loop function is great, but at certain point when you go in details it is helpful to have it local in your DAW. To match sounds, or loop certain parts by keeping the beat ..

I will do it how you described next time and see how it comes out. At least then only the video would be out of sync if I got it wrong.


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