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post Jan 11 2009, 09:16 AM
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Well I have this problem, and I look forward to your suggestions about that biggrin.gif

While I am recording something, when the volume of the back track is low, the fastest parts start to get off tempo and when I got the back track high on volume, my bends and vibratos are not as perfect as they should... laugh.gif

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post Jan 11 2009, 09:42 AM
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Sorry, I misinterpreted your 'dilemma' in my initial reply so I deleted it.

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post Jan 11 2009, 10:36 AM
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Well I'd put it on the high side of middling myself as going off tempo is worse than your bends and vibrato not being quite right.
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post Jan 11 2009, 10:47 AM
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QUOTE (enforcer @ Jan 11 2009, 12:16 AM) *
Well I have this problem, and I look forward to your suggestions about that biggrin.gif

While I am recording something, when the volume of the back track is low, the fastest parts start to get off tempo and when I got the back track high on volume, my bends and vibratos are not as perfect as they should... laugh.gif

What do you do about it? biggrin.gif


You could play to a metronome at the BPM of the backing track...keeping you on tempo and letting you focus on bends/vibrato

Thats what i'd do at least
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post Jan 11 2009, 11:17 AM
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Golden middle, set it up so you can hear both backing and your playing,
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Record it two times, one with backing low and one with backing high.
Or four times, pan one low and one high to L and R.

Then in your DAW lower the volume for the sour parts


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post Jan 11 2009, 12:14 PM
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When you do it with the BT loud are you're bends "worse" even after the recording when you can lower the BT volume, or do just feel so because nuances of vibrato and bending get swallowed up by the loud background music?

Anyway, my advice would be to find a middle volume where the BT rhythm is clearly audible and strong but your lead won't get "under" it. smile.gif


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post Jan 11 2009, 12:30 PM
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You need to hear what you are playing, so as everyone said - set the backing somwhere in the middle where it is clearly heard but your guitar is also..You will learn to concentrate to lower volume backings in time , just lock onto the drum beat so you don't go out of tempo...


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post Jan 11 2009, 12:30 PM
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if i understood right the problom is you dont here the band and than you dont hit the right tone.
if so what i did is play the background medium low and put one headphone on. than you can here the bands in one ear and listen to the tempo on the other.
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post Jan 11 2009, 12:36 PM
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Interesting dilemma there smile.gif

I see two solutions here. First one is to set up backing track in the middle (like Muris said) and learn to do both things well over it. Second solution is to record your solo with markers smile.gif So you mark the section with loud playing and recording , then you go in and record one with low backing smile.gif


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post Jan 11 2009, 02:38 PM
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Thank you people, I think I'll use both of the good advices, I'll try to find a golden middle and sync the metronome with bt, therefore I could hear the bt just fine to keep the right speed sync and feeling, and hear all the details of my playing, keeping the good vibrato and perfect pitch bends.

I am very glad that I had so much good advises, thank you all for solving my dilemma biggrin.gif


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post Apr 30 2009, 05:01 PM
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This can be seen as irrelevant, but I actually tried something a bit strange once when playing with a backing track. I connected my KOSS iPod headphones to the guitar amplifier, and put them on my ears; then I connected some larger PC headphones to the iPod playing the backing track and put them over the first headphones, this way I could hear the backing track a bit lower, and my guitar sound higher, without missing the rhythm of the song.

This is probably pure rubbish, as:
1) I don't know if this actually helps
2) the headphones are bound to fall off after a while
3) it's extremely uncomfortable and it looks like you have a helmet fit for space travel !

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I can relate to your dilemma for sure.
To me there seems to be an art to getting the "monitor mix" right for recording. If the guitar is too loud in the mix, you can loose the inspiration that comes from the harmony or underlying cords in the mix. If it's too soft, the tone can get kind of "wimpy" sounding. There surely is a sweet spot where you can hear the beat and harmony well enough, and yet you can hear yourself play such that it inspires you to reach for that sweet note, or play tightly with the backing tracks.





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post May 1 2009, 07:49 AM
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I think that may help if you play without backing. That would give you confidence to not relay on the backing track. I think the problem is that you're depending too much on the backing and that's ok because we all do but sometimes it's a nice challenge to try to play the parts without any backing so we can hear the real thing and take care of bendings, un-acurate parts, etc.

I hope this helps a little too smile.gif


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