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post Jan 11 2009, 03:31 PM
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i noticed particularly in pavel`s lesson althogh i understand he doesnt indtruct here anymore that something he holds his hand with the thumb and finger on the pick and 3 fingers pointing out to the air. than i went to another one of his lessons that his hand was fisted. 1 shape he used for chords and one for alternate picking fast. i got used to the first method but i noticed his speed was increased alot when fisted.
whats the difference and what should i practice with?
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post Jan 11 2009, 03:42 PM
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This is up to your personal preferance!

It makes no diffrence to you playing what the three fingers not holding the pick do, Pavel just got accustomed to doing it this way. Kirk Hammett from Metallica picks by just sticking his middle finger out (that bastard^^) and I always have 3 fingers pointing in the air no matter what I play


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post Jan 11 2009, 04:27 PM
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Just like Zakkwylde said.

Speed has only come, because he has practiced alot.
Infact, once you start playing ur fingers wil automatically adjust to whatever feels comfortable without realizing.
Whether it be a finger out or two, or no fingers out.


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post Jan 11 2009, 06:51 PM
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Yes, Zakk and bsamn are right. Fingers will adapt automatically, your job is to make sure you play everything clean enough to sound right on fast speeds. It is up to you how you will hold the pick, so don't worry and keep rockin! smile.gif


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post Jan 11 2009, 08:19 PM
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The best advice that I could give you is to play in the way you're playing now. That would be the correct and more confortable for you, but if you want to try you could see Marty Friedman, Pat Metheny, Paul Gilbert, Michael Angelo and try their techniques and then choose between those. biggrin.gif


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post Jan 12 2009, 05:35 PM
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My style developed naturally, i never really considered, i just play how i feel comfortable. I often swap between closed fist and 3 fingers outwards depending on what type of thing im playing. So your best bet is to relax in to it and make sure you have control.


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post Jan 12 2009, 06:02 PM
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My suggestion is to practice different ways of your hand position when holding pick. Trough practice you will discover which method works the best for you and gives you no noise, great sound , artificial harmonics etc.


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post Jan 12 2009, 08:21 PM
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Practice technique correctly, and your hand will adjust its position with time. There is no perfect right hand position. For each style you have best hand position. If you play 2-notes/string patterns, you have to adjust hand positon, if you play sweep picking arpeggios, you have to adjust your hand position. If you play patterns on one string, same thing. Patterns on 2 strings? Same thing.

Repeat this pattern, fast, beginning with down-stroke:


E||------3-5-----3-5-|-------||
B||--3-5-----3-5-----|-------||
G||-------------------|-------||
D||-------------------|-------||
A||-------------------|-------||
E||------------------|-------||

Then this, with down-stroke first, fast:


E||----3-5-----3-5---|-------||
B||--5-----3-5-----3-|-------||
G||------------------|-------||
D||------------------|-------||
A||------------------|-------||
E||------------------|-------||



As you play faster each pattern, you'll notice that right hand position change is very noticeable. This is because in the first example, you have inside-picking when you cross strings(upstroke to downstroke). In the second example, you "jump over string"(upstroke to down troke). For each example there is best right hand philospohy.

Technique comes first, hand position second. Don't try to copy some guitarist players, play what is most comfortable for you. Paul Gilbert said that he use to hold his right hand like Marty Friedman for 6 yers, then he changed it to his actual position he uses today. So, you make mistakes, you fix them, it last over years, don't be afraid to experiment, and to make mistakes, I use to keep my pinky on the guitar body while playing, for years, my hand was very tense, so I changed it after 7 years. Watch good alternate-pickers, John Petrucci, John McLaughilin, there is a reason why they hold they right hand like that. Especially during very fast passages! Fingers move to each other, hand is closed(Petrucci, McLaughlin). When you play fast, you want to maintain control, so after few months of correct technique practice, you will begin to notice that your right hand starts to adjust position automatically, unbelievable:)



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post Jan 15 2009, 11:29 PM
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You pretty much have to practice consistently and you will find your perfect balance for both fast and slow playing as well as loud and soft !


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