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Jesse
post Jan 14 2009, 12:40 PM
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When I got a song, and I can play the guitar part I always want to record it, of course, but instead of using a backing track, isnt there a way to just delete an instruments track on the studio recording?


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post Jan 14 2009, 12:49 PM
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You can't delete an instrument track on a song you listen ( famous song on CD)...You can only do that if you get the whole project for recording software with all the tracks recorded individually.There are some ways (software) for diminishing the loudness of vocals or some instruments but it doesn't give you usable results..

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post Jan 14 2009, 12:55 PM
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There is no way you can do that Jesse , unless you have actual project with all the instruments, where you could mute anything you want!

Imagine if you could - there would be millions law suits happening with copyright issues smile.gif


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post Jan 14 2009, 01:00 PM
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I agree with the others. But maybe you can find what you need in the form of backing tracks on the internet?

Here's an option:
http://www.guitarbackingtrack.com/

Just a suggestion.
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post Jan 14 2009, 01:06 PM
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QUOTE (Torben @ Jan 14 2009, 01:00 PM) *
I agree with the others. But maybe you can find what you need in the form of backing tracks on the internet?

Here's an option:
http://www.guitarbackingtrack.com/

Just a suggestion.
lol, thanks, but I said"When I got a song, and I can play the guitar part I always want to record it, of course, but instead of using a backing track, isnt there a way to just delete an instruments track on the studio recording?
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post Jan 14 2009, 01:16 PM
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Deleting guitar parts is not really possible..

I know Vox recently released something stating that it removes guitar from original tracks, but the results are not really satisfying I think.
But you can find out more about that here...

Sometimes you get better results if the guitar was recorded the hard right or hard left of the spectrum. In that case you can take the mono file of either side that does not contain the guitar and make it a stereo file. You might get descent results that way. It works good on some older Jimm Hendrix's stuff...

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post Jan 14 2009, 02:51 PM
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The best reult is as David describes. For the Vox though it probably relies on a slightly different method for instruments, or vocals, that are panned centre but - and it's a big but - you will lose a lot more of the recording then if its been panned hard left or right. The technique relies on attenuating the signal you want to get rid of. However it's almost certain that you won't just mask out a single instrument but also attenuate some of the frequency range of others - so for a centre panned guitar you could lose a lot of mid range type stuff. Nonetheless, whilst the resulting recording won't be great it might be acceptable for practicing against.

BTW - you can do the same thing in Audacity etc. (I think there's a vsti in Audacity that will do it on the fly for you.) Other software editors/DAWS you'll probably have to do it manually.

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The problem with removing guitars is in frequency spectrum - while you can assume a human voice is in some narrow channel, the guitars in much more wide one... cutting it off will destroy a whole track.


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Some bands that have 2 guitarists record one hard left and one hard right so you can get it so you can't hear one guitar but most bands don't do this and it is impossible to get rid of an instrument effectively from a complete recording.


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For those who might want to try here's how:

1. Open the stereo audio file in an audio editor.
2. Select and reverse the phase of the left channel.
3. Mix both the left and right channels of the stereo file into a single-channel (mono) audio file.
4. Split the single-channel audio file back into a stereo file that has the newly mixed single-channel on both left and right channels.
5. Now reverse the phase of the left channel back again, the same way it was accomplished earlier.

As I said before, it won't end up with a great reproduction (and may be unusable) but in some cases this will work and it may be enough for practicing to.

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post Jan 15 2009, 04:25 PM
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The best you can achieve is to use equalizer to adjust the volume of the certain frequencies, like if you want to delete bass track, select lower frequency range and move the slider down. It could effect other channels as well, but that is the best you can get.


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post Jan 15 2009, 06:37 PM
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I agree with Vasilije. Some home players come equiped with a function that says "Karaoke", that's nothing but a filter. So you can try to put the track into an audio editor like Cool Edit and use the filters until you get some results. Obviously the signal quality will be afected but this could be an option.

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