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Velvet Roger
post Jan 18 2009, 03:30 AM
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QUOTE (enforcer @ Jan 18 2009, 03:02 AM) *
I loved your tone buddy! And also your solutions for key changes were also brilliant! laugh.gif


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QUOTE (Velvet Roger @ Jan 18 2009, 02:41 AM) *
Ok, have done another take, fixed to 'out-of-tune' problem and did something completely different during F# minor. Going to sleep now tongue.gif


This was much closer to what I was looking for.
Thanks for recording another one Roger ! wink.gif


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post Jan 18 2009, 03:09 PM
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QUOTE (Pedja Simovic @ Jan 18 2009, 03:07 PM) *
This was much closer to what I was looking for.
Thanks for recording another one Roger ! wink.gif


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Ivan Milenkovic
post Jan 18 2009, 08:59 PM
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Here's my take guys, hope you find it interesting. Didn't want to make it too "standard", so I went for a touch of Balkan vibe.
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post Jan 18 2009, 09:05 PM
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QUOTE (Ivan Milenkovic @ Jan 18 2009, 09:59 PM) *
Here's my take guys, hope you find it interesting. Didn't want to make it too "standard", so I went for a touch of Balkan vibe.



Its very different for sure Ivan, I loved trills and fast runs... You dont need me to say this but great take for sure bro smile.gif


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Thanks a lot mate! smile.gif


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post Jan 18 2009, 11:16 PM
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Good solo Ivan, I didn't know you know to play this stuff.


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post Jan 18 2009, 11:20 PM
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Now this aint fair! When I first checked for new uploads there was David here who did his in only a few hours. I really got intimidated ohmy.gif

When I wanted to bring my first solo (which was actually a clean solo): there came Pedja, Chris and enforcer and then I was like packing everything back into my sack.

Now here I come, this is my third solo on this BT and I won't escape this time laugh.gif

So, Pedja, my concept was quite simple: stick to the scales derived from the backing chords and mix them up with some passing random notes. I did a lot of "turn around"s too. There are some runs in there, but I wanted the F#m legato to be a bit more effective with a little interval leap. The last part before returning to Am was only improv (I've explored a bebop-like fragment in it but i'm not sure about that... mellow.gif) cause I concentrated on the timing mainly and I was like sweating bucketfuls for 2 days.

Anyway, hope it's not that bad after all smile.gif

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Attached File  fusion_berko2_noBT.mp3 ( 548.9K ) Number of downloads: 127


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post Jan 18 2009, 11:32 PM
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This is really not an easy chord progress. Pedja knows how to challenge us smile.gif
I really tried to follow the harmony change, not sure i archived this.
Anyway .. here is my (first) take. I hope you guys like it.

Attached File  Pedja_Fusion_collab_wbt.mp3 ( 503.2K ) Number of downloads: 184
Attached File  Pedja_Fusion_collab_nbt.mp3 ( 503.2K ) Number of downloads: 154

I would like to work on some other takes and hope i will be able to do something a bit more melodic ..

Great takes so far guys!!
Pedja's take is just awesome, don't know why, but i hear some Al di Meola in there. Am i wrong?


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post Jan 19 2009, 12:12 AM
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QUOTE (Velvet Roger @ Jan 18 2009, 03:09 PM) *
Pfew wink.gif


Exactly !

But feel free to do more takes - there is 9 days left before deadline for submitting wink.gif

QUOTE (Ivan Milenkovic @ Jan 18 2009, 08:59 PM) *
Here's my take guys, hope you find it interesting. Didn't want to make it too "standard", so I went for a touch of Balkan vibe.


Thanks for submitting your take Ivan !

Again deadline is 9 days from now so feel free to submit more takes as I will be making comments for everybody smile.gif

QUOTE (berko @ Jan 18 2009, 11:20 PM) *
Now this aint fair! When I first checked for new uploads there was David here who did his in only a few hours. I really got intimidated ohmy.gif

When I wanted to bring my first solo (which was actually a clean solo): there came Pedja, Chris and enforcer and then I was like packing everything back into my sack.

Now here I come, this is my third solo on this BT and I won't escape this time laugh.gif

So, Pedja, my concept was quite simple: stick to the scales derived from the backing chords and mix them up with some passing random notes. I did a lot of "turn around"s too. There are some runs in there, but I wanted the F#m legato to be a bit more effective with a little interval leap. The last part before returning to Am was only improv (I've explored a bebop-like fragment in it but i'm not sure about that... mellow.gif) cause I concentrated on the timing mainly and I was like sweating bucketfuls for 2 days.

Anyway, hope it's not that bad after all smile.gif

Attached File  fusion_berko2.mp3 ( 548.9K ) Number of downloads: 185

Attached File  fusion_berko2_noBT.mp3 ( 548.9K ) Number of downloads: 127



Thanks for your take Berko !

It sounds like you recorded couple of different guitar parts at different spots ? wink.gif

Same thing as for everyone - 9 days left , do as many takes as you want and choose the one that rocks hard for you smile.gif

Thanks man

QUOTE (wrk @ Jan 18 2009, 11:32 PM) *
This is really not an easy chord progress. Pedja knows how to challenge us smile.gif
I really tried to follow the harmony change, not sure i archived this.
Anyway .. here is my (first) take. I hope you guys like it.

Attached File  Pedja_Fusion_collab_wbt.mp3 ( 503.2K ) Number of downloads: 184
Attached File  Pedja_Fusion_collab_nbt.mp3 ( 503.2K ) Number of downloads: 154

I would like to work on some other takes and hope i will be able to do something a bit more melodic ..

Great takes so far guys!!
Pedja's take is just awesome, don't know why, but i hear some Al di Meola in there. Am i wrong?



Andy thank you for your (first) take !

I like what you have done in certain sections but somehow I think you can do even better (especially last cadence F/G G#dim7 A min part).

Record more takes, post them here, 9 more days left, do one take a day if you can and you will find your perfect take.


You are absolutely right about backing by the way. This type of harmony is not in one key and is definitely not something you are used to playing over guys. You mostly had Blues collabs and some Major and/or Minor type harmonies. This one is Minor with some modal harmonies combined so you have to use your ear as well as scale knowledge.

Andy your A minor to C minor part was really good example how you used Voice Leading to get from note from previous chord into the closest note of the next one !
Thats what makes Fusion music work and connected, you have to use voice leading when improvising. Jumping around is OK when you apply some rest in your solos, otherwise it sounds unconnected !

Hope these advices help out a bit smile.gif


As far as Al Di Meola reference goes I will say THANK YOU , but to be honest I never spent any time listening to him and his style ! He plays Spanish type harmonies, uses alternate picking and muting and that just doesn't work for me.
Guitar players that I listen(ed) a lot are Pat Metheny, Mike Stern, John Scofield and of course Scott Henderson but also sax players like Michael Brecker, John Coltrane, Charlie Parker !
So thats my real influence and where I get all my inspiration from when I try to create something.

I am glad you enjoyed solo, I will record some easier ones and post them hopefully tomorrow.


Feel free to ask any questions guys and keep posting your takes - we are all here to learn and help each other out !

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Yes, I did record different spots and it's my fault that I've spoiled the the mastering, I'll reload it then.

EDIT: some minor corrections on the dry take.

Attached File  fusion_berko2_noBT.mp3 ( 548.9K ) Number of downloads: 119


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QUOTE (Vasilije Vukmirovic @ Jan 18 2009, 11:16 PM) *
Good solo Ivan, I didn't know you know to play this stuff.


Thanks mate. I love to listening all kinds of jazz, and like playing it ocassionally, as well as making fusion with other genres here and there. I'm certainly no jazzman, just try to broaden the views for many music styles.


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QUOTE (berko @ Jan 19 2009, 12:14 AM) *
Yes, I did record different spots and it's my fault that I've spoiled the the mastering, I'll reload it then.

EDIT: some minor corrections on the dry take.

Attached File  fusion_berko2_noBT.mp3 ( 548.9K ) Number of downloads: 119


No Berko, you didn't spoil anything smile.gif
I was just wondering thats all...

You can record as many takes as you want man -go for it smile.gif


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QUOTE (berko @ Jan 19 2009, 12:14 AM) *
Yes, I did record different spots and it's my fault that I've spoiled the the mastering, I'll reload it then.

EDIT: some minor corrections on the dry take.

Attached File  fusion_berko2_noBT.mp3 ( 548.9K ) Number of downloads: 119

I liked it Berko!! Good job. I am gonna start working on my take this week.
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QUOTE (Pedja Simovic @ Jan 19 2009, 12:12 AM) *
Andy thank you for your (first) take !

I like what you have done in certain sections but somehow I think you can do even better (especially last cadence F/G G#dim7 A min part).

Record more takes, post them here, 9 more days left, do one take a day if you can and you will find your perfect take.

Thanks Pedja, i will do more takes for sure .. i guess i just needed to finish this approach, so i uploaded it. I'm not really happy with the last part ether. Thanks for pushing me laugh.gif

QUOTE (Pedja Simovic @ Jan 19 2009, 12:12 AM) *
As far as Al Di Meola reference goes I will say THANK YOU , but to be honest I never spent any time listening to him and his style ! He plays Spanish type harmonies, uses alternate picking and muting and that just doesn't work for me.
Guitar players that I listen(ed) a lot are Pat Metheny, Mike Stern, John Scofield and of course Scott Henderson but also sax players like Michael Brecker, John Coltrane, Charlie Parker !
So thats my real influence and where I get all my inspiration from when I try to create something.

Yes, Al Di Meola is more know for his acoustic guitar and spanish harmonies, but i remember an early record from him "Tirami Su", which i listen a lot .. somehow the first part of your solo brought back some memories smile.gif. I have to listen more to these guys you mentioned above. Do you have special record recommendation maybe?








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QUOTE (wrk @ Jan 18 2009, 11:32 PM) *
This is really not an easy chord progress. Pedja knows how to challenge us smile.gif
I really tried to follow the harmony change, not sure i archived this.
Anyway .. here is my (first) take. I hope you guys like it.


I would like to work on some other takes and hope i will be able to do something a bit more melodic ..

Great takes so far guys!!
Pedja's take is just awesome, don't know why, but i hear some Al di Meola in there. Am i wrong?


I love your style Andy!! I am not really a fan of blues but you play it with such a cool style. Makes me want to start working on my non-existent blues licks. laugh.gif laugh.gif
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QUOTE (lcsdds @ Jan 19 2009, 12:32 AM) *
I love your style Andy!! I am not really a fan of blues but you play it with such a cool style. Makes me want to start working on my non-existent blues licks. laugh.gif laugh.gif

Thanks Monte !! .. damn, i limited my self to one single bend it still sounds like blues ... i tried to avoid this on this collab laugh.gif laugh.gif.
Work on some blues licks, you will start to love it when play it ...






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QUOTE (wrk @ Jan 19 2009, 12:42 AM) *
Thanks Monte !! .. damn, i limited my self to one single bend it still sounds like blues ... i tried to avoid this on this collab laugh.gif laugh.gif.
Work on some blues licks, you will start to love it when play it ...

I was including your take on Emir's collab as well with that statement. laugh.gif laugh.gif Your style is hard to pin down. Just when I think you are a straight blues guy you rip off a shred run and confuse me. laugh.gif laugh.gif I am really gonna have to force my fingers to "behave" on this take. Should be fun. biggrin.gif
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QUOTE (wrk @ Jan 19 2009, 12:28 AM) *
Thanks Pedja, i will do more takes for sure .. i guess i just needed to finish this approach, so i uploaded it. I'm not really happy with the last part ether. Thanks for pushing me laugh.gif

I hope I am not pushing you too hard Andy but I feel this is right type of harmony for you to gain some jazz vocabulary you've been seeking.


Yes, Al Di Meola is more know for his acoustic guitar and spanish harmonies, but i remember an early record from him "Tirami Su", which i listen a lot .. somehow the first part of your solo brought back some memories smile.gif. I have to listen more to these guys you mentioned above. Do you have special record recommendation maybe?

I don't have any of his stuff unfortunately so I can't relate to that record sad.gif

Mike Stern and Michael were in this band called STEPS AHEAD together. You have to check that band out man - they are Jazz Rock Funk Fusion type of band. Amazing line up of awesome musicians who are really creative and all killer players !

Album that I recommend you must get is Steps Ahead - Live in Tokyo 1986 !

I took the liberty to Google it for you and found this link HERE

John Coltrane is a legend just like Michael Brecker. If you haven't heard any John Coltrane you have to check out album called GIANT STEPS ! Its the milestone in jazz music and beginning of Modern Jazz and what killer improvisers do nowdays over simple II V I harmonies etc smile.gif

More about Giant Steps you can find Here


Charlie Parker is one of the founders of Bebop language ! If you are looking for double time feel playing, amazing arpeggio usage, bebop scale, tension vs chord tone solos and great phrasing - you definitely need to check him out !

I have a lot of his works but I recommend you get BEST OF or anything along these lines so you can see if it works for you or not smile.gif


Hope that helps man smile.gif

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Thanks Pedja for the record recommendations. I will for sure check them out !!

You are definitely not pushing to hard !! I feel a bit like back in school and i really hope you will continue collaborations around chord progressions like that.


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