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Zynex
post Jan 15 2009, 10:11 AM
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Hey guys,

One of my bandmembers and me are recording some little demo songs to put on our website. We have managed to get the vocals come out very nice and proffesional. For drums we downloaded and used a good drum computer in cubase because we lack a drumkit and drum mics.

Recording the guitars is a diffrent matter though. The clean guitars sound just awesome, and very smooth. But when we record a guitar sound with overdrive or distortion it just sounds very dry and flat. It just does not have that "rock feel" to it. It sounds great from the amplifier, but the recorded result is not what we want.

We use a Phonic Helix board, and a very expensive mic, that is said to be great for recording vocals, guitar and bass. We put the mic in front of the amplifier (about 50cm away from it). We then record it in cubase.

Any tips for recording?

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post Jan 15 2009, 10:17 AM
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QUOTE (Zynex @ Jan 15 2009, 10:11 AM) *
We use a Phonic Helix board, and a very expensive mic, that is said to be great for recording vocals, guitar and bass. We put the mic in front of the amplifier (about 50cm away from it). We then record it in cubase.
Try to put the mic right in front of the amp. You might also consider buying something like a line6 toneport, boss gt etc.

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post Jan 15 2009, 10:51 AM
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Record the same track 5 times.

Record two tracks with the distorted sound that you want for your song.
Pan one to 3 o clock and the other to 9 o clock

Record two tracks with too much distortion.
Pan one track L and the other R a little less that the prior tracks.

Record one completely clean track and put in the middle.


Then mix the tracks to your liking. Make sure you get a lot of the signal strength recorded and that you're playing is tight.

QUOTE (Zynex @ Jan 15 2009, 10:11 AM) *
We use a Phonic Helix board, and a very expensive mic, that is said to be great for recording vocals, guitar and bass. We put the mic in front of the amplifier (about 50cm away from it). We then record it in cubase.

Like 29a said, 50 away would be "roomy", try putting it to the cloth before a speaker. Not in the middle and not too far out to the sides, somewhere in the middle gives a good balance of bass and brigt.


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post Jan 15 2009, 11:22 AM
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That sounds great Mike smile.gif Thanks alot! Won't it be to croudy with 5 tracks tho?


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post Jan 15 2009, 11:30 AM
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QUOTE (Zynex @ Jan 15 2009, 11:22 AM) *
That sounds great Mike smile.gif Thanks alot! Won't it be to croudy with 5 tracks tho?

Not crowdy at all if your playing is tight. Yes, it takes time to record them all but if you play them tight it will sound great. Just try it with a simple smoke on the water riff or something so you can hear for yourself before you set off recording your entire song and then find it wasn't what you expected and end up thinking both me and my advice suck. biggrin.gif

And you can't take a short cut by copying one track to another becuase that will sound out of phase (weak).


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post Jan 15 2009, 11:43 AM
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You can do the same Micke said and also face the amp with the corner of the wall and put the mic
1- Above
2- On one side
3- On the other side

The reflexions of the corner would get a different sound. I know a friend always record that way and his guitars are something out of this world. You can try that.

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post Jan 15 2009, 11:49 AM
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Bands like Metallica record many rhythm tracks to beef up the sound and Matt Bellamy on Stockholm Syndrome recorded tonnes of guitar layers to get the power in the riff.


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post Jan 15 2009, 11:51 AM
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QUOTE (Ramiro Delforte @ Jan 15 2009, 11:43 AM) *
You can do the same Micke said and also face the amp with the corner of the wall and put the mic
1- Above
2- On one side
3- On the other side

The reflexions of the corner would get a different sound. I know a friend always record that way and his guitars are something out of this world. You can try that.

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Cool! I will have to try that too.


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post Jan 15 2009, 11:59 AM
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Here I leave you a recording of this friend I told you
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fusea...endID=386259922
The my space is of the singer, the song you have to listen is "Garden of Predators"
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post Jan 15 2009, 12:11 PM
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QUOTE (Ramiro Delforte @ Jan 15 2009, 11:59 AM) *
Here I leave you a recording of this friend I told you
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fusea...endID=386259922
The my space is of the singer, the song you have to listen is "Garden of Predators"
Enjoy.

Wow great guitar sound. Infact, I like all the songs from their band.

I'm curious. What's his equipment?


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post Jan 15 2009, 12:22 PM
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Hey Mike M,

is this recording technique only for riffs? Or also for powerchords, or even full distorted barre chords?

I asume this 5 layer thing is not for solo's right? Im mean Im pretty sure would'nt be able to play a solo 5 times the same and evenly tight tongue.gif.


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post Jan 15 2009, 12:26 PM
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post Jan 15 2009, 12:39 PM
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QUOTE (Zynex @ Jan 15 2009, 12:22 PM) *
Hey Mike M,

is this recording technique only for riffs? Or also for powerchords, or even full distorted barre chords?

I asume this 5 layer thing is not for solo's right? Im mean Im pretty sure would'nt be able to play a solo 5 times the same and evenly tight tongue.gif.

Rhythm and riffing. I never recorded a solo that way myself but sticking to one take solos... solos are not my cup of tea anyway. wink.gif

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I would have guessed active pickups. Shows how far off I was biggrin.gif


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post Jan 15 2009, 01:26 PM
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QUOTE (Zynex @ Jan 15 2009, 12:22 PM) *
Hey Mike M,

is this recording technique only for riffs? Or also for powerchords, or even full distorted barre chords?

I asume this 5 layer thing is not for solo's right? Im mean Im pretty sure would'nt be able to play a solo 5 times the same and evenly tight tongue.gif.


This technique is mainly for rhythm tracks mate, it works best with powerchords since they don't have a lot of overtones to colide with each other, but you can use it for any rhythm work as long as it is tight as Mike said.
Also take some time to really nail the sound you're after, experiment with different mic positions. When you find the sweet spot, record some layers and try it. I would record crunchy clean preset instead of "clean" clean in the middle, but as always try to feel what it is best for the song and go from there. There are no rules, you can put anything you want there really.


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post Jan 15 2009, 02:03 PM
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Thanks Ivan and MikeM

Great advices biggrin.gif. Tonight the recording will take place, so I hope it will work out alright. We will do our best to follow this technique. As soon as the demo song is done, I will post it on the forum!

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post Jan 15 2009, 02:56 PM
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Great tips in here guys, I'm glad I read this!


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QUOTE (Zynex @ Jan 15 2009, 02:03 PM) *
Thanks Ivan and MikeM

Great advices biggrin.gif. Tonight the recording will take place, so I hope it will work out alright. We will do our best to follow this technique. As soon as the demo song is done, I will post it on the forum!

thanks! wink.gif


No prob mate, we're here to help. I'll be happy to hear the song when you finish it! smile.gif


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post Jan 16 2009, 01:15 PM
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Yeah, I'd love to hear some sound clips of you recordings!


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This band sounds pretty cool. Reminds me alot of Dreamtheatre.
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