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post Jan 18 2009, 08:57 PM
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Hello there smile.gif

It's two weeks I'm practicing this lesson (well, not only that, I'd get mad wink.gif ) and still it's dirty as hell...
The most problems for me is this first bend and release, and mostly due to two things:

1. while releasing, the pressure from the finger gets lower and the string has not enough power for next tones,
2. while bending so much (it's 2 halftones) and releasing, I'm catching the string above and it sounds! geeezzz....

Every 10-15 takes I can play it almost perfect wink.gif it's too low ratio, don't you think wink.gif
Have you any thoughts for me on this?
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post Jan 18 2009, 09:45 PM
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I watched your take and didn't find it dirty man!
It sounded pretty good!

I think you are on the right track... Just keep doing what you are doing.
Also be very analytical of your playing and come up with new ways to mute all unnecesary noises with different finger placement.

A good way to do that is to film your self playing the lick with a close up on your left hand, then on your right hand. Then watch the video and see what movements should be altered to avoid the superfluous noises...


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post Jan 18 2009, 10:22 PM
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QUOTE (utak3r @ Jan 18 2009, 08:57 PM) *
1. while releasing, the pressure from the finger gets lower and the string has not enough power for next tones,
2. while bending so much (it's 2 halftones) and releasing, I'm catching the string above and it sounds! geeezzz....

Sorry to sneak in, since the question was to a particular instructor, but I think I can help on both matter because I struggled with them for long time wink.gif

1. I can see you are bending using the strength of 1 finger only. You can use the strength of 1,2,3 and even 4 fingers. Furthermore, you are having your thumb on the back of your guitar. In that way all power must come from your fingers. If you put your thumb up in the neck while bending you can create a mechanism that adds the strength of your arm on the bending, so that not all the pressure is on the fingers.
2. This one took me really long to figure out. But you can use your index finger to mute the string above. Just place it on the string above while your other fingers bend the string you want to bend. Watch carefully the first video from Kris and you will see he does that!

Hope that helps.

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post Jan 18 2009, 10:24 PM
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Hey

You are doing great I am finding this very difficult.


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post Jan 19 2009, 12:31 AM
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QUOTE (David Wallimann @ Jan 18 2009, 09:45 PM) *
A good way to do that is to film your self playing the lick with a close up on your left hand, then on your right hand. Then watch the video and see what movements should be altered to avoid the superfluous noises...


yeah, after I joined here, I started recording the sound - and hell it helped me really much smile.gif ok, so let's go with the vdeo... smile.gif thanks!



QUOTE (Gus @ Jan 18 2009, 10:22 PM) *
Sorry to sneak in, since the question was to a particular instructor, but I think I can help on both matter because I struggled with them for long time wink.gif


Be no sorry wink.gif it's here 'cause it's Kris' lesson.

QUOTE (Gus @ Jan 18 2009, 10:22 PM) *
1. I can see you are bending using the strength of 1 finger only. You can use the strength of 1,2,3 and even 4 fingers.


yeah, I'm trying to get used to it....

QUOTE (Gus @ Jan 18 2009, 10:22 PM) *
Furthermore, you are having your thumb on the back of your guitar. In that way all power must come from your fingers.
If you put your thumb up in the neck while bending you can create a mechanism that adds the strength of your arm on the bending, so that not all the pressure is on the fingers.



True, but it's a bit hard to fight with the old habbit taken from a classic guitar... rolleyes.gif but I'll try, sometimes my right thumb hurts me so much from pressing the neck....


QUOTE (Gus @ Jan 18 2009, 10:22 PM) *
2. This one took me really long to figure out. But you can use your index finger to mute the string above. Just place it on the string above while your other fingers bend the string you want to bend. Watch carefully the first video from Kris and you will see he does that!


geez, I can imagine that and even do that - really slowly..... wink.gif when playing at normal speed I just don't have time for this wink.gif lol....
OK, will practice more smile.gif

QUOTE (Boson @ Jan 18 2009, 10:24 PM) *
You are doing great I am finding this very difficult.


Man, it's a damn two weeks... I can't listen to it anymore wink.gif My wife neither... wink.gif

You know what I found? I'm practicing this particular lesson for a maximum 20 minutes, and then I play something I want to. On the next day suddenly it's easier and I can see an improvement... smile.gif


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post Jan 19 2009, 03:54 AM
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QUOTE (utak3r @ Jan 19 2009, 12:31 AM) *
True, but it's a bit hard to fight with the old habbit taken from a classic guitar... rolleyes.gif but I'll try, sometimes my right thumb hurts me so much from pressing the neck....

Yep, it takes so time to get used to it wink.gif
But I come from classical guitar and could manage it... tongue.gif

If you see how shredders do it, they keep the thumb over the neck when playing bends (specially over pentatonic) and move it to the classical position when they want to speed pick (specially on higher strings).
So, it's not really about forgetting the old habit, but learning to use it on proper times...


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post Jan 19 2009, 08:33 AM
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QUOTE (Gus @ Jan 19 2009, 03:54 AM) *
If you see how shredders do it, they keep the thumb over the neck when playing bends (specially over pentatonic) and move it to the classical position when they want to speed pick (specially on higher strings).
So, it's not really about forgetting the old habit, but learning to use it on proper times...


Ha, you're right... smile.gif any other situations coming to your mind?



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sometimes my right thumb hurts me so much from pressing the neck....


...of course I meant my left thumb, not the right one wink.gif


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post Jan 19 2009, 10:50 AM
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QUOTE (Gus @ Jan 19 2009, 12:22 AM) *
1. I can see you are bending using the strength of 1 finger only. You can use the strength of 1,2,3 and even 4 fingers. Furthermore, you are having your thumb on the back of your guitar. In that way all power must come from your fingers. If you put your thumb up in the neck while bending you can create a mechanism that adds the strength of your arm on the bending, so that not all the pressure is on the fingers.
2. This one took me really long to figure out. But you can use your index finger to mute the string above. Just place it on the string above while your other fingers bend the string you want to bend. Watch carefully the first video from Kris and you will see he does that!


Very good advice - thanks Gus! smile.gif

Also - I get the feeling that during some parts you have a little trouble keeping in time - or put it like this: Since you need to struggle to play it in time you can't put enough energy on accuracy, bends etc. So I would suggest that you practice this some more at a slow tempo, to perfect it.

All in all - I think this was a very good attempt! smile.gif


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post Jan 19 2009, 11:56 AM
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QUOTE (Kristofer Dahl @ Jan 19 2009, 10:50 AM) *
Since you need to struggle to play it in time you can't put enough energy on accuracy, bends etc. So I would suggest that you practice this some more at a slow tempo, to perfect it.


that's right - without thinking of being on time I can do it more or less quite well smile.gif
So... more practising... I can't stand this melody already wink.gif soooo many times played wink.gif
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post Jan 19 2009, 01:02 PM
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Sorry, I didn't realize this was addressed to Kris...
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post Jan 20 2009, 11:14 PM
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OK, that's it... I just couldn't stand it anymore wink.gif
Here goes my recent take on it:



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