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post Jan 19 2009, 08:22 PM
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Keep reading below. lol!

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thats nice.. thank you very much..

one q tho.. if i play C Ionian(Major) and want to change to A Aeolian then i just change the root from C to A?
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post Jan 19 2009, 08:43 PM
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Mmmm it's ok the chart but the names are not correct sometimes.
For example: in the C# major scale the VII degree is B# no C, although we know is enharmonically correct the scale construction is not with a C natural on it. On the other hand if you are thinking about Db the VII degree is C. So, I think it will be more clarifying if you make it again but with the correct names for each scale so the ones that are not so familiar with the theory and download the chart won't get confused.
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Thank you for the feedback Ramiro.

My understanding of this is very limited as you can see. My understanding was that for every major scale there is a minor equivalent.

Apparently I need to look at these more closely. I will make the adjustments and create a new doc. Please disregard this one..


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I crossed referenced the scale you said was wrong and Im not sure where its wrong. Using all-guitar-chords.com I pulled up both scales and its the same>?

Question.
I looked at both C# Ionian and A# Aeolian and its the same scale shapes? I dont see a B listed.

I apologize if Im not getting it.

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Hi Dan,

Ramiro was explaining a glitch on your note naming, that doesn't affect the equivalence between the 2 scales though.


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QUOTE (Andrew Cockburn @ Jan 19 2009, 03:31 PM) *
Hi Dan,

Ramiro was explaining a glitch on your note naming, that doesn't affect the equivalence between the 2 scales though.


Oh?

The purpose of my document was just that. The same scale in both major and minor.

I guess Im still confused of the "glitch". Its not my note naming. Its the naming of the site I grabbed them from.
Is it the title above each scale that I put there? Or in the picture of the scale itself?

I added the document here again.




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Ya know what. It just clicked in my head what Ramiro was saying smile.gif I talked to Ramiro in chat earlier and I though I understood what he said. Now I actually do.


Apparently the screen captures of those scale patterns are wrong on all-guitar-chords.com.
I didn't get it completelyu what he was saying because I am learning "shapes" opposed to "notes".

I understand that you can not have the same not repeated in a 7 note scale. smile.gif

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That's great opeth.db, I love when you have one of those moments when everything just falls into place. smile.gif


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QUOTE (Mandos @ Jan 19 2009, 04:13 PM) *
That's great opeth.db, I love when you have one of those moments when everything just falls into place. smile.gif


I swear it was like someone just hit me in the face a brick. tongue.gif

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Yeah, even all-guitar-chords.com makes mistakes here and there. wink.gif


The deal with diatonic is that you must have all these letters covered in each scale:
C, D, E ,F, G, A and B.

That's how diatonic works, when you're writing scale in notation
you are noticing that each note is taking one step/spot higher in notation,
those spots are hosting those letters.
So, sometimes you have only B, sometimes it's B# or Bb, doesn't matter.
But you can't have 2 notes in a row starting with the same letter,
that leads to miss of some other letter because of it. smile.gif


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I'm glad I helped you to clarify that matter Opeth biggrin.gif


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Definately guys and thanks!

To clarify this document was mainly used for to memorize the shapes rather than note placement. I can't wait till I know the notes. Being able to sort of improv just by knowing these shapes is a plus! smile.gif Something I was never able to do before.



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QUOTE (opeth.db @ Jan 20 2009, 01:20 AM) *
Definately guys and thanks!

To clarify this document was mainly used for to memorize the shapes rather than note placement. I can't wait till I know the notes. Being able to sort of improv just by knowing these shapes is a plus! smile.gif Something I was never able to do before.


Of course, once get get all shapes and fingerings
you might even stop thinking of notes that much,
all you have to do it to move everything few frets up or down
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QUOTE (Muris Varajic @ Jan 19 2009, 07:40 PM) *
Of course, once get get all shapes and fingerings
you might even stop thinking of notes that much,
all you have to do it to move everything few frets up or down
to get the scale you're aiming for. smile.gif


If thats true Muris why bother even learning notes then? I can imagine some creativity can be learned by knowing notes. ohmy.gif


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QUOTE (opeth.db @ Jan 20 2009, 02:14 AM) *
If thats true Muris why bother even learning notes then? I can imagine some creativity can be learned by knowing notes. ohmy.gif


Maybe you didn't get my point. smile.gif
What I wanted to say is that you'll not be able to NAME
every note you play in real time when you like improvise
and play all around the fretboard, connecting all positions etc.
But of course you should be able to name every note
on the fretboard when someone (or yourself) asks you to!! smile.gif


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Besides is important if you want to improvise and feel the intervalic relations between the notes of your lead and the rhythmic guitar.
If you've seen Al DiMeola's clinic he says that when he improvises aim to a specific intervalic relations like minor 9th so he knows how the Bb sounds over an A7 for example so he visualises all the Bb in his neck and in that way knows where to go. John Scofield says something similar in his clinic, he talks about the importance of the intervalic relations of the melody that he creates when improvising.
Anyway, it's ok at first only to memorize shapes and not the notes and the feeling of those notes against a harmony. Every stringed instrument is taught that way because it would be impossible to learn the scales without that system, but the ultimate goal is to see the notes as in the piano.
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QUOTE (-Zion- @ Jan 19 2009, 02:35 PM) *
thats nice.. thank you very much..

one q tho.. if i play C Ionian(Major) and want to change to A Aeolian then i just change the root from C to A?


Not sure I understand your question Zion...
Basically within C Ionian, you'll find A Aeolian.
Both of these scales share the same exact notes. The only difference is the note you start from. :-)
The simple formula is that for any Major scale, you'll find the relative minor a step and a half below (3 frets lower).
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Thanks for the clarification guys. It really helps when you take thetime to explain things. smile.gif



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QUOTE (David Wallimann @ Jan 20 2009, 01:54 PM) *
Not sure I understand your question Zion...
Basically within C Ionian, you'll find A Aeolian.
Both of these scales share the same exact notes. The only difference is the note you start from. :-)
The simple formula is that for any Major scale, you'll find the relative minor a step and a half below (3 frets lower).
Does that help?


That is exactly what i meant.. thank you very much for clarifying.. smile.gif
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