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post Jan 23 2009, 09:33 PM
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I posted my brainstorming thoughts in the thread where David left his idea.


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post Jan 23 2009, 09:40 PM
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I think a panel of instructors who vote PASS OR FAIL is all thats needed.



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post Jan 23 2009, 09:52 PM
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I'd love to see this happen. smile.gif
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post Jan 23 2009, 10:06 PM
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QUOTE (fatb0t @ Jan 23 2009, 11:22 PM) *
What about you post your take of a lesson with a poll. Only instructors can vote. You have a uniform ranking of your take from like 1 to 5
5 perfect
4 excellent
3 average
2 you need to work harder on it
1 unsatisfactory


this way it isnt bound to any particular instructor - they can vote as they will you know what I mean?


Using a poll sounds like a good idea! We could think set minimum percentage required to "pass".

edit - this got me thinking! Maybe we should just throw out these polls in the open on the "instructors only" board..!


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post Jan 23 2009, 10:11 PM
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Just great, will track this very closely! smile.gif


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post Jan 23 2009, 10:14 PM
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This sounds awesome, I really want to see how this system is incorporated here. It will be fun! smile.gif


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post Jan 23 2009, 10:16 PM
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I think the best thing would be that it would encourage people to FINISH lessons up to speed rather than just stealing licks here and there. smile.gif
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post Jan 23 2009, 10:17 PM
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QUOTE (Kristofer Dahl @ Jan 23 2009, 04:06 PM) *
edit - this got me thinking! Maybe we should just throw out these polls in the open on the "instructors only" board..!


This would be a very good and simplistic approach. Once a grading system is in place, all they would need to do is vote! smile.gif


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post Jan 23 2009, 10:19 PM
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QUOTE (lcsdds @ Jan 24 2009, 12:16 AM) *
I think the best thing would be that it would encourage people to FINISH lessons up to speed rather than just stealing licks here and there. smile.gif


Yes that is another reason to do this. If you almost nail a lesson - why not nail it completely and then get "visible" points for it? smile.gif


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post Jan 23 2009, 10:25 PM
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QUOTE (Kristofer Dahl @ Jan 23 2009, 10:19 PM) *
Yes that is another reason to do this. If you almost nail a lesson - why not nail it completely and then get "visible" points for it? smile.gif

indeed.. if one got some kind of "reward" like this one might complete the lesson..

awesome idea.. biggrin.gif

edit: it would give people a sense of accomplishment, and might boost their confidense.. which is a bit plus.. smile.gif

also, to take it even further it would be cool if the completed lesson was added to the profile, so you could view all the lessons you'd completed (maybe even with links to own videos.. ie youtube)

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post Jan 23 2009, 10:34 PM
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It will also work for GMC, as in order to prove that one has completed the lesson a video would most probably be needed, and video responses, placed for example on Youtube will bring the glory of GMC to the masses;)


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post Jan 23 2009, 10:35 PM
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This sounds very interesting


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post Jan 23 2009, 10:35 PM
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Sounds really good. It seems to me though, that if someone went and did ALL the lessons on GMC, their average level of ability would be dragged down by all the lower level lessons they do. Of course, this would be offset by their diversity, but maybe some kind of system whereby lower levels of lessons aren't factored into the average level score. Just like the system you have in place:

1 - 2 Guitarist
3 - 4 Player
5 - 6 Rocker/Shredder
7 - 8 Guitar Hero
9 - 10 Guitar God

Except that if their "experience" consists of only level 1-2 lessons, only those will be factored into their level average. If their experience consisted of many levels though, especially if it's someone that has been learning a lot and improving, it will only average the lessons that are of the highest level they can do. There would need to be a few lessons shown to prove that they can play at this level though.

For example, if a 'player' has been playing level 3-4 lessons for a while, but can manage to show competence now doing some level 5 lessons, maybe even a level 6, they can submit those and they'll become a 'rocker/shredder' and their average 'level' will now only be average among the level 5-6 lessons they can complete. This way, their diversity keeps increasing but their level accurately reflects how good of a player they are.

It's like making a bunch of f's (not comparing low level lessons here to failures), and then a few A's. Obviously, you know the stuff because you made the A's, but you have a bunch of f's (completed low level lessons, in this case actually a good thing) that will drag your average down to something not accurate to your real level.


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post Jan 23 2009, 11:08 PM
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Great idea!


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post Jan 23 2009, 11:08 PM
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This is so great smile.gif Just another great initiative that puts GMC well above any other guitar site on the web.

I think using the practice agendas is one way to post your take of a lesson to be "graded". Maybe there could be a pinned topic in the main GMC board so when you have finished a lesson and want it graded, you can post in there with a link to your practice agenda. And maybe there can be a box put in your agenda for your points and level that the "graders" can amend as needed. Just an idea... no matter how it's done I can see the panel of "graders", whoever they are, being very busy smile.gif (Although I like the idea of the panel being made up of instructors seems the most fair)

As for a name... I'll have to think a little more on that one.

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post Jan 23 2009, 11:09 PM
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Wow!It's funny how an original idea can go so far!
I really like what I read so far.

Andrew, I like the distinction between experience and level, it will surely prevent students to just go for easy lessons to get credit. I think the general classification you suggested is a good starting point. We can always tweak a bit as we go, but for now I really like it.

I think having instructors credit points is great. Maybe have some kind of scoring grid such as this for example:

Rhythm placement -/20
(self explanatory)

Cleanness -/20
(How clean the notes are)

Feel -/20
(Does it feel like the student really appropriated the guitar part to himself or does it sound like he's just copying something..)

Posture -/20

Sound -/20
(Probably not a good example, as we don't want to penalize students with poor quality material...)

We probably need to discuss that grid. I don't think we should include things like technique in there as if a more advanced player tackles a beginner's lesson, there is no point in grading his technique. We need to find a general system applicable to any lesson and any level. Does that make sense?

Maybe have something like 5 categories, each worth 20 points which once graded by let's 5 instructors the student will get a 100 point score.

If a student gets a final score of 50, he will get 50 per cent of the lesson's point value. If a student completes a lesson of level 5, and gets 50 points, he will earn 50 percent of 5. That student will earn a total of 2.5 points.


We could maybe have prizes such as access to a secret lesson, or maybe a one on one 30 minute lesson with one of the instructors (that's for when GMC will allow us to have that kind of feature...) smile.gif


Does that make sense?

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post Jan 23 2009, 11:18 PM
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This is brilliant! As long as we stay polite and don't rub titles in other peoples faces in the unfriendly manner (as I guess there will be some good natured, friendly teasing tongue.gif)
As if becoming a badass guitarist wasn't enough motivation, this will absolutely make it even more fun to learn lessons ^^

A suggestion for the name could be "The Stairway".. As inspired from the Rock and Roll History Museum's "Guitarway to Heaven" (atleast the Pick of Destiny version of it), which is inspired from Zeppelin's Stairway to Heaven? ^^

By the way, I like your system, David ^^

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post Jan 24 2009, 12:03 AM
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QUOTE (David Wallimann @ Jan 23 2009, 11:09 PM) *
Does that make sense?


Yeah, that's a nice idea, more flexible IMHO smile.gif


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post Jan 24 2009, 02:41 AM
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I actually love the idea just as it is, simple and very effective, will serve as yet another motivation tool for everyone!


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post Jan 24 2009, 02:58 AM
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I actually quite like this idea but i think there should be a grand prize such as a ibanez Jem or a Mesa boogie Tripple Rectifer tongue.gif tongue.gif ... Maybe not but it does sound quite good

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