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post Jan 26 2009, 01:31 PM
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QUOTE (David Wallimann @ Jan 26 2009, 11:54 AM) *
Or we could also simplify the whole thing...
After uploading a lesson, the student clicks a button to roll a dice that gives him his final score...
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post Jan 26 2009, 03:21 PM
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QUOTE (David Wallimann @ Jan 26 2009, 12:54 PM) *
Or we could also simplify the whole thing...
After uploading a lesson, the student clicks a button to roll a dice that gives him his final score...
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post Jan 26 2009, 05:33 PM
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+1 on the keep things simple at first.

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post Jan 26 2009, 05:44 PM
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This is an AWESOME idea!!! It would give people something to strive for!!!!


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post Jan 26 2009, 09:00 PM
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I really think that the purpose of this whole program should be to get people to COMPLETE lessons!! Being able to play something from start to finish takes your playing to a whole other level, IMO. I know for me that for years I could come up with what I thought were cool licks but I had no idea how to apply them. When I found this site and started doing the lessons I could see how really these solos were just somebody else's "cool licks" that had been put into a coherent solo. It is cool to steal licks from lessons you like but it is altogether another skill to be able to play the solo seamlessly from start to finish, up to tempo, in time and with feeling. Just my 2 cents. biggrin.gif biggrin.gif

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post Jan 26 2009, 09:35 PM
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QUOTE (lcsdds @ Jan 26 2009, 03:00 PM) *
I really think that the purpose of this whole program should be to get people to COMPLETE lessons!! Being able to play something from start to finish takes your playing to a whole other level, IMO. I know for me that for years I could come up with what I thought were cool licks but I had no idea how to apply them. When I found this site and started doing the lessons I could see how really these solos were just somebody else's "cool licks" that had been put into a coherent solo. It is cool to steal licks from lessons you like but it is altogether another skill to be able to play the solo seamlessly from start to finish, up to tempo, in time and with feeling. Just my 2 cents. biggrin.gif biggrin.gif

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You bring up an interesting point. I can learn how to play one of the lessons and make a video of myself playing it. That doesn't mean that I understand what I'm playing. It just means that I have memorized it.

In order for me to truly know it and the context to which it applies, and be graded on it, I should be able to explain the concept/theory behind it to someone else. That would be the real test. How does one do that for this program? It seems that you would have to make an explanation video or text like the instructors do. So, without that, what would really be evaluated is your ability to play it but not necessarily understand it...

Maybe the instructors should post a few questions along with the videos so that students can answer them and be scored that way too.
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post Jan 26 2009, 09:47 PM
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QUOTE (lcsdds @ Jan 26 2009, 03:00 PM) *
I really think that the purpose of this whole program should be to get people to COMPLETE lessons!! Being able to play something from start to finish takes your playing to a whole other level, IMO. ... but it is altogether another skill to be able to play the solo seamlessly from start to finish, up to tempo, in time and with feeling. Just my 2 cents. biggrin.gif biggrin.gif


I just recently discovered this. ohmy.gif For the past year, I've just been stealing licks from the cool lessons. It wasn't until I tried to record my versions of the lessons that I realized I'd been cheating myself the whole time. It's really made me a better player to have to learn the whole lesson and be able to play it up to speed.


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post Jan 26 2009, 10:02 PM
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QUOTE (Jeff @ Jan 26 2009, 09:35 PM) *
You bring up an interesting point. I can learn how to play one of the lessons and make a video of myself playing it. That doesn't mean that I understand what I'm playing. It just means that I have memorized it.

In order for me to truly know it and the context to which it applies, and be graded on it, I should be able to explain the concept/theory behind it to someone else. That would be the real test. How does one do that for this program? It seems that you would have to make an explanation video or text like the instructors do. So, without that, what would really be evaluated is your ability to play it but not necessarily understand it...

Maybe the instructors should post a few questions along with the videos so that students can answer them and be scored that way too.

I don't know that you really need to be able to explain the solo, it would be nice but especially for a beginner it can be overwhelming. I just know that with all the really cool lessons on here I don't know how many people are truly taking advantage of them by learning them all the way through until they are done. We are all on different levels. I could pretty easily play most or all of the "beginner" lessons on the site but I don't think that is beneficial to me. I want to learn the advanced stuff so that is what I am working on. Maybe I am way off but I just think that alot of us don't realize how beneficial it is to be able to learn the lesson from start to finish and up to tempo. I know I learned Muris's Canon lesson and it took me a few months to get it down and up to tempo. I had to change some of the licks from picking or hybrid picking to legato and tapping but I got it to where I could play it. The biggest thing I got out of that lesson I think was string skipping, and it was probably the first time I had learned to play a piece of music from start to finish with the backing track. The licks in that piece were difficult so I obviously had to slow them way down and work them up to speed. Even when you get to where you can play the licks up to speed now you have to figure out how to string them together fluidly and how to play them with the backing track and not just a metronome or drum machine. I had never really attempted string skippping at all until this lesson and I forced myself to keep at it for a few months. Now I notice on some of Muris's other lessons I am working on that the string skipping licks aren't as hard as they used to be. I am even getting better at the hybrid picking, which is another technique I never attempted before coming to this site. I'm babbling now. laugh.gif I just think that this program should really encourage people to pick a lesson they want to learn and really stick with it until they finish it. I'll quite preaching now. laugh.gif laugh.gif
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post Jan 30 2009, 11:17 PM
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I was just thinking, and I had this thought.

It would probably be necessary to set some sort of precedent when It comes to evaluating the lesson, so that no one gets "heart borken". Like If I nail 95% of the lesson, and worked my butt off to get it to sound that good, but I couldnt quite get that ONE lick down in Measure "x" exactly... I wouldn't expect to get 100% (or however we are scoring these)

I don't think it's necessary, to be this strict...As I think more about this, maybe this is going a little to far...

oh yeah....

And how about "GMC Evaluation Program" ?


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post Jan 31 2009, 01:21 AM
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I support this idea, I would like to propose the idea of changing "Guitar God" to "MasterClass," and "Very Ecletic" to "Veteran."

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post Jan 31 2009, 09:22 AM
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Another suggestion for the program name ... GMC Accreditation Program (GAP).



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post Jan 31 2009, 09:34 AM
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Great idea! Gives a reason to complete and upload lessons!
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post Jan 31 2009, 10:07 AM
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I want to repeat something I said earlier, I think an MP3 file would do! A video takes more time, and the "doorstep" is higher! An MP3 is just plug in and hit record, video (for me) means plug in, click, record, and then syncing and producing video. I think we should use MP3s instead of videos, because it might double the degree of participation!


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post Jan 31 2009, 10:07 AM
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GuitarAccrecitationProgram? GAP?


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QUOTE (kaznie_NL @ Jan 31 2009, 10:07 AM) *
I want to repeat something I said earlier, I think an MP3 file would do! A video takes more time, and the "doorstep" is higher! An MP3 is just plug in and hit record, video (for me) means plug in, click, record, and then syncing and producing video. I think we should use MP3s instead of videos, because it might double the degree of participation!


True, audio only is of course easier and not everybody have the gear and experiences to record videos. On the other hand i think video is better for to evaluate skills. I have to practice way more to record a video and play the lesson from the beginning to the end as for an audio take where i can split the recording in 2-3 smaller parts. Nothing wrong with that ... for audio recording its not important to know how it was done, just that it sounds nice. Video adds this "live" moment a bit more. You are right, participation will be higher with MP3s and it will be even enough to evaluate musical skills, but in my opinion videos are telling more about technical skills. I guess it has to be defined what the goal of this program is (?)..








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post Jan 31 2009, 05:12 PM
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I agree with wrk, I think a video is better for evaluation purposes.


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Would love to hear from Kris, Andrew and Smells on this topic. Are you forming an idea on how this program will be run? I know there are many new things happening at GMC at the moment, but I am very keen to see this begin. Just a quick update ...
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Thanks guys, we are still digesting all the ideas you have given us and we will be putting this program in place soon!


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I must say I'm very excited for this program. In every video game where there are achievements I get super hard core into (Call of Duty 4/5 & World of Warcraft for example). Think about how many times more rewarding it would be to get achievements for an actual skill instead of a digital video game that in 10 years will be a faded memory?
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Definately fatbot. I am too really excited to get this rolling! smile.gif


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