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post Jan 25 2009, 10:57 PM
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Guys I'm sure this has been said before but whats the best way to mic up a guitar amp, and with what equipment do i just need a (shure sm57 example) and a boomstand????


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post Jan 25 2009, 11:07 PM
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Can I hook it upto my Pod X3 Live???


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post Jan 25 2009, 11:10 PM
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I was just thinking of posting the same link as VictorUK. There isn't one "right" or best way of micing a cab, you can get many different sounds using different positions around the speaker, putting the mic on-axis or off-axis etc. That video explains many of these aspects and therefore is a must-watch smile.gif

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Can I hook it upto my Pod X3 Live???


Does it have an XLR-input? if so then you could try it, but the unit isn't really meant for a mic-preamp, so the actual preamps may not be very good.

I suggest you buy a cheap USB mic-preamp for starters, the cheap ones usually go for around 100-150$.


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post Jan 25 2009, 11:34 PM
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Is this the sort of thing I need?????

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/DBX-286A-MIC-PRE-AMP...%3A1|240%3A1318


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post Jan 26 2009, 12:49 AM
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It depends on what sound you want smile.gif
I mic up with 2 shure beta 57a microphones in different positions.
But you can also move them away from the cab etc.
The sound coming from your amp is the most important imo.
I advice you to try out different positions to see what fits your sound smile.gif

I don't have a mixer (you don't need one), but I have a very good soundcard that allows me to mic up using 10 microphones or so.. I would invest in a mic-preamp though (I'm getting one myself) as you can get better signal and dial in your tone better as well smile.gif
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post Jan 26 2009, 12:54 AM
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QUOTE (VictorUK @ Jan 25 2009, 07:02 PM) *
Well this video helped me alot:
http://www.imperialmastering.com/guitartonevid/

You need to find the sweet spot on the amp to get the best tone possible, also you will need a mixer, a m-audio fast track or line6 toneport should do if they have XLR cable inputs wink.gif

you can get different tone by using 2 microphones in different positions or 2 different microphones and mix and match positions.

Victor.


hehehe!!! I wanted to post the same vid wink.gif
this one has a few advices about it. if you are looking for mic positions.
also, he (the man in the video wink.gif) explains how to put in face the .waw files without editing.


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post Jan 26 2009, 11:14 AM
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Guys would this pre amp be ok I know its cheap

http://www.zzounds.com/item--THKMIMAB0


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post Jan 26 2009, 11:44 AM
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Try it with your X3 Live first. I've miked my amp with a SM57 and it sounds surpisingly well. You just have to be tender with the trip pot beside the mike input.
Now I don't remember how I did it for the best sound, if I used "Colsole" to get the best sound out of the amp or something else... Sorry, can't remember exactly and I can't test it right now. ...or if I used "no amp" and the X3 just patched the sound through as picked up with the mike or if the Console acted as a preamp and enhanced the sound.

My memory fails me but I only did this once so I guess I'm excused wink.gif

But like I said. Before you head off buying new gear (which always is fun though) you can manage with your POD X3 alone.


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post Jan 26 2009, 11:51 AM
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Thanks mickem will try that out biggrin.gif


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post Jan 26 2009, 01:43 PM
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I just did a quick test, very unscientific just to see what works and what doesn't, nothing fancy biggrin.gif

Recorded with a Epiphone LP thgrough a Blackstar HT5 into a slanted Marshall 1960 4x12 cabinet. Miked with a SM57 on the bassy part (from the middle of the speaker radius and a tad more towards the edge) right up to the cloth.

I hear from the takes I could have placed it more to the middle go make it brigher, especially since the speakers in this cab are a bit on the bassy side aswell. Amps EQ was all set to noon.

Soundinterface was a Line6 POD X3 Live. The input level of the mike almost at full. (Console, noamp, americanclassic preamps were set in the Line6 Gearbox software)

- Input selected as "mic".

First take with preamp "Console" selected, default settings
Attached File  HT5CONSOLE.mp3 ( 719.98K ) Number of downloads: 125


Second take with "no amp"
Attached File  HT5NOAMP.mp3 ( 719.98K ) Number of downloads: 109


Third take with a preamp called American Classic
Attached File  HT5AMERICANCLASSIC.mp3 ( 719.98K ) Number of downloads: 119


Fourth take with the colsole again, added some reverb effect while recording. I added quite a lot just to notice a differance, doesn't sound all that epic but it works. wink.gif
Attached File  HT5CONSOLEREVERB.mp3 ( 719.98K ) Number of downloads: 121


Sorry for the mp3's all being same size, I rendered all from within the same project which means they are all of the same length meaning the three shortest ones have some silence in the end.

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post Jan 26 2009, 02:03 PM
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Thanks for putting in the time for me on this one Mickem you have been very helpful, Its going to be interesting to see how it sounds I just bought a Blackstar Head and cab, they should be here tomorrow.another thing Should I definitely buy 2 sm57s??? or just 1


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post Jan 26 2009, 02:21 PM
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QUOTE (Bondy @ Jan 26 2009, 02:03 PM) *
Thanks for putting in the time for me on this one Mickem you have been very helpful, Its going to be interesting to see how it sounds I just bought a Blackstar Head and cab, they should be here tomorrow.another thing Should I definitely buy 2 sm57s??? or just 1

No problem! smile.gif

Ah you did order an Blackstar? biggrin.gif It's great fun smile.gif

If you're planning to run the mike through your POD one is enough since the POD only has one mic input.

When you're dealing with two mikes you'd have another think to worry about when setting up your gear for recording and that's to make sure the mikes aren't out of phase.
Another interesting opportunity if you're getting two could be to get two different mikes, a SM57 is a given, but then someting different.

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Really interesting topic guys. Thanks for the Video mentioned above, that was really good viewing. Suprisingly engaging considering its length too! I'll have to think about getting a second mic at some point.

MickeM, really great clips for hearing the differences! The Blackstar sure does sound nice smile.gif


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post Feb 4 2009, 08:43 PM
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Hi GMCers!

Christopher Willits has a nice show on xlr8r tv on revision3 internet television.

Guitar mic-ing techniques from Christopher Willits.

What You Talkin' Bout, Willits? Part 7

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post Feb 4 2009, 09:46 PM
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QUOTE (dl6kbg @ Feb 4 2009, 09:43 PM) *
Hi GMCers!

Christopher Willits has a nice show on xlr8r tv on revision3 internet television.

Guitar mic-ing techniques from Christopher Willits.

What You Talkin' Bout, Willits? Part 7

Oliver


Cool, thanks for sharing this! smile.gif


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QUOTE (Bondy @ Jan 26 2009, 05:03 AM) *
Thanks for putting in the time for me on this one Mickem you have been very helpful, Its going to be interesting to see how it sounds I just bought a Blackstar Head and cab, they should be here tomorrow.another thing Should I definitely buy 2 sm57s??? or just 1

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thanks for makin this thread..im kinda in the same boat here...im in love with the sound from my new vox amp...but i have no idea how to record from it! i wish it had a direct record out, but that would be too much to ask obviously, so i need to now mic it upp....hopefully ill be able to find a cheap good set up on craigslist!


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