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post Jan 4 2007, 12:01 AM
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I want to learn how to solo on the pentatonic scale so if someone asked me to play something for them I would have the perfect thing but to do that I need help. So I have a question. So say you are jamming with the pentatonic scale. Are you just hitting notes you think will sound good or is there a pattern? biggrin.gif

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post Jan 4 2007, 08:33 AM
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Are you just hitting notes you think will sound good or is there a pattern?


At first you will be guessing - eventually you will find the patterns that work for you.


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post Jan 5 2007, 02:34 AM
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QUOTE (Kristofer Dahl @ Jan 4 2007, 07:33 AM) *
At first you will be guessing - eventually you will find the patterns that work for you.

blink.gif What do you meen when you say 'At first you will be guessing'? wink.gif

When You solo is it mostly position shifting from different boxes or can you play a solo in only one box and still make it sound cool?

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post Jan 5 2007, 04:38 PM
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When you've just learned the pentatonic scale, you will have to just hit notes in that scale and hope it sounds good because your not experienced with the scale. Eventually you will find out what sounds cool and what you like, and then you can use those patterns when you jam.

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pentatonic scale. Are you just hitting notes you think will sound good or is there a pattern?

the basic patterns is the boxes in the scales. If you stick to one box it will almost always sound ok, but you have to develop your own ways to use the boxes if you want it to sound like you! and then eventually you will probably develop patterns beetween multiple boxes in the scale, which can sound even better. It can still sound cool in one box, many cool soloes is just in one box

but the "creating your own pattern-thing": I never said to myself "I have to make a pattern". I just started playing the boxes, and eventually i noticed that I had created my own way of playing without ever thinking about it
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post Jan 6 2007, 06:22 PM
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QUOTE (erik @ Jan 5 2007, 03:38 PM) *
Eventually you will find out what sounds cool and what you like, and then you can use those patterns when you jam.The basic patterns is the boxes in the scales.


What kind of pattern?


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post Jan 9 2007, 08:04 PM
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If you're asking about "patterns" I think he means little 3-4-5-6 or more note 'runs' that you play

If you watch Kris' Pentatonic lessons he shows you some "patterns" to tie the boxes together ...by taking a
6 (or 5 or 7 or 8 - whatever) note 'pattern' in one of the box positions and moving it to another box position it sounds different but similar at the same time...

I work with 'sequences' a lot. Sequences are "patterns" too I suppose.... like going up the scale by playing 3 notes up and 2 back, 3 up and 2 back, etc.... these "sequences" you begin to hear in a lot of music -
the point: is you develop your own favorite 'patterns, licks and sequences that you like and it begins to shape your sound and playing style when you blend them all together.

Another thing to do is to play a 'pattern' of 5 or 6 notes in the minor Pent scale and then play the same thing in the same fret position but use the major pent scale... or stay in the same fret position and play the 5 or 6 note pattern iyou like in box 1 and then stay in the same fret position but play it in the box 4 shape.
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post Jan 9 2007, 09:07 PM
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It also depends on your music, when playing blues (especially the slow ones) the solo´s sometimes only use 7 notes of the whole pentatonic box, no octaves and it still sounds totally amazing
I always use a lot of bends and therefore have some bend licks and ascend and descend the scale, so follow the chords
I´m not much a speedpicking pattern person, so i always just try to play something and after a while it will sound good depending on the licks you know.

But the best notes to hold on to, with vibrato for a few secs are usually the chord notes, so if you´re playing in A minor pentatonic, landing on an A always sounds good (to me it does biggrin.gif )

It also depends on your music, when playing blues (especially the slow ones) the solo´s sometimes only use 7 notes of the whole pentatonic box, no octaves and it still sounds totally amazing
I always use a lot of bends and therefore have some bend licks and ascend and descend the scale, so follow the chords
I´m not much a speedpicking pattern person, so i always just try to play something and after a while it will sound good depending on the licks you know.

But the best notes to hold on to, with vibrato for a few secs are usually the chord notes, so if you´re playing in A minor pentatonic, landing on an A always sounds good (to me it does biggrin.gif )


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post Jan 9 2007, 09:23 PM
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I dont get where you say 7 notes?

The Pentatonic scale has by definition only * 5 * notes (the word "Penta" means 5.)
The Blues scale adds an extra note which is the flattened 5th degree of the scale, so at best this is 6 notes.

I think you perhaps mean play the pattern, or box using only 7 loctions within the box? (using a blues box with 2 notes per string and 3 where the flatted 5th occurs means there are potentially 14 locations in a box)
There are however no more than *6* notes.

I think I understand what your saying but I am clarifying it for those that may become confused by your description.

Apologies if *my* explanation is somewhat adding to the confusion.


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post Jan 11 2007, 12:10 AM
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I meen do you make up as you go?

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post Jan 12 2007, 02:21 AM
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Do you make it up as you go?

Yes.

Sort of.

That is called improvising - just play whatever comes in your head:
But if you were doing this you would naturally play licks or parts of licks and phrases you already know and just mix them up unless you really tried not to.

Like talking:
If someone asked you to make up a story - you might say: "Once upon a time .. blah blah blah..."
Did you make that up? Is it something you said before? heard before? did you 'rip it off? Did you use it in another story?

Good players say Music is like talking
(eventually I hope to get to that point....
to be able to express myself with the guitar.
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post Jan 28 2007, 10:55 PM
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haha how can guitar be your soul if you dont know what improvising is XD hmm whatever..


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post Feb 17 2007, 07:22 AM
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Huh?


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post Feb 17 2007, 10:53 AM
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i think you should Start with just going back and forth on the pentatonic scales and you will see it comes to life . find your self some improvising background . that you know the scale the easy one is 12 bar blues in E

just let your finger do the magic it takes time but it will happen eventully

Good like and don't let go sometimes it is hard sometimes you get moments that you worked so hard for them wink.gif


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post Feb 18 2007, 01:50 AM
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first I learned the whole scale up and down.
then I just started improvising all over the scale, it will sound good aslong as you're in the scale I guess tongue.gif
after getting used to it I stole some licks from here and there, made up some of my own and then I just started jumping around anywhere in the scale.

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post Feb 18 2007, 03:09 AM
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Yeah, Yeah, Yeah, I get it now. I said huh to Ezravdb's post.


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