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Bogdan Radovic
post Jan 31 2009, 04:49 PM
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Hello!!!

I'm back with the final mix of the collab! We had a smooth rock backing with a ballad feel to it on our hands..I want to thank you all for participating and making this full track unique with your awesome takes!!! You managed to record lots of different feelings in your leads , so its very interesting to listen to the whole track throughtout even though its over 6 minutes long! I tried to give some constructive feedback on your takes.Please keep in mind that its a subjective one and that opinions may differ, collabs are all for fun and to learn something.It was really a pleasure woring with you guys!!

HERE IS THE FINAL MIX :Attached File  Rock_Lead_Collab_Final_Mix.mp3 ( 5.95MB ) Number of downloads: 461


Participants : 12

I arranged tracks in the order by which you sent them to me.

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1.Superize

We are opening this collab with Superize's take.I want to say that I am really impressed with your progress over short period of time..This was a very very good solo improv!!! All notes were in place and you made good development of the solo to make it interesting..Your vibrato has improved a lot from my last collab I was commenting.Of course there are some weak ones so I recommend focusing on its practice.Bends and vibrato add a lot of feeling to the solo and you used them properly.I liked your tone , stereo thing you did has made it more full and strong.(Which usually isn't needed to be done for these collabs but in this case it worked).Maybe a little less space (reverb, delay) could be used to make it less "digital sounding" but the tone was pretty healthy.Also lowering some gain should make it better too , because this was pretty strong regarding the backing track style..
Thank for participating in this one mate!!

2.Boson

Here we have a mellow solo.Its great that you started recording collabs Boson!! This was a nice start.Your guitar tone was pretty good.Try lowering gain a little bit and adding some bass frequencies , you have cut through the mix well though thanks to mids and treble! Melody ideas were cool , here are some tips how to make it better : you have played phrases in "one phrase per chord" style..Try extending phrases over several chords..Don't put the pauses just before one chord ends and start the next phrase on beat 1 of the next chord , rather extend the first phrase over second chord without pause in between.You can connect these phrases well if you learn arpeggios - those are your strong notes so landing on perfect 5th or appropriate 3rd when chord change occurs will guarantee that your solo will sound strong and than you can go into playing scale notes.Also to make your phrasing more interesting , try to experiment a little with note values..You want them to be interesting , as with note choice.Don't play all the notes the same value rather combine different ones (8th notes, quarter notes , 8th note triplets etc).To make a slow solo expressive try incorporating vibrato on longer sounding notes and adding bends here and there..Sometimes its a good idea instead of fretting the "next note" is to bend the string in order to play that same note you wanted to play..Melody stays the same but if you bend you leave more expressive feeling.All in all this was interesting solo , with some rhythm experimenting and phrases extending/placing + expression tools (vibrato, bends) this would be a really really good solo! Keep up the good work and record as much collabs as you can! It will help you progress in your playing very fast!

3. Crazytfret

Your tone was pretty strong and it cut through the mix well.I would recommend lowering a little the amount of effects to make it more natural sound (less chorus like).Also lowering gain a little would help.I liked the solo idea.Development of solo was very nice , maybe you could have made something different in the second part of the solo instead of repeating the intro phrase..Second part of solo was a little less convincing because phrasing reminded the first part.This was a melodic solo and I liked it, some really cool licks in there !!! I would recommend paying more attention to chord transitions , to accompany them by landing on strong notes (chord tones) when changes occur..That will make the solo sound much stronger! You added expression tools (bends and vibrato) and that is very good for a solo..A little work on them (to make bends precise) and vibrato strong is needed but you are on the good path! Thanks for playing in this collab Crazyfret , I enjoyed your take!

4. Berko

Here we have a really energetic take!! Your tone was very strong and pretty natural sounding..Try lowering gain more though , amount of it didn't match well the double stops you played.I really liked the solo development and diversity in phrasing you displayed.You kept it interesting from start to end and mixed different techniques well (like tapping in the very end).Also I liked the trills you played, they really added nice flavor.Only the tapping in the end of the solo could have been more convincing and have more flow (in relation to the previous solo parts) in order for it to blend in better..Wild vibrato , cool bends (expression tools are there).Very good solo overall!! Thanks for joining this collab!

5. Velvet Roger

Here we have a mellow sounding solo..Your guitar tone was pretty good, though I would recommend adding more middle frequencies.You were having trouble cutting through the mix and adding those middles would allow you to do that well! I liked the long sounding note you opened the solo with.I liked the phrasing you continued with..Combining different techniques succeeds in making the solo interesting.One tip though : after the fast run in the second part of the solo towards very end you played two almost identical phrases going straight up the scale..It could have been differently combined in order not to sound like a straight scale (practice)..Convincing solo overall , I enjoyed listening to it! Thanks for recording in this collab Roger!

6. Torben

Hey , its great you started doing collabs!! This was a very cool solo you recorded for this one!! Your tone was pretty strong, though I have to recommend using less gain in the guitar patch (it didn't suit double stops well)..Solo development was pretty good! I liked the sad mellow vibe in it! All notes were in place , regarding phrasing I would recommend trying to play fingering that you are not so used to from scale practicing.That way you will be able to come up with more original licks that won't in any way resemble up and down scale practicing..Also playing a little more with note values would insure even more interesting licks..Try adding more vibrato to those long sounding notes to make them expressive , also adding bends here and there as well as hammer-ons pull-offs would be interesting addition you your improvisation pallet.This was a very cool solo overall and I really enjoyed its vibe and listening to it! Great to have you in collabs now!!

7. Col Roberts

Here we have an interesting solo idea!! Your tone was nice , though it lacks more definition and mass..Try playing with EQ settings (adding bass and middle frequencies) and lowering gain! Tapping intro idea was nice touch though it could have been executed more convincingly..Arpeggios are good choice when following chords , I would suggest not playing them straight as you would when you practice them , rather dividing small phrases out of their notes to make them sound more original.Also its a good idea when you have longer phrases to make them colorful by not playing all notes the same value rather combining different ones to make it more groovy.I liked the second part of the solo , it was very interesting phrasing vise..Only thing to look out is not repeating the same phrase twice in a row - except if you really feel strong about it being solo "trademark"...Ending phrase was appropriate for ending..Cool solo overall ,I liked it, thanks for joining this collab mate!!

8. Kaznie_NL

I remember your solos from past well and I can hear a great progress over short period of time (as with Superize's case!)..Your tone was pretty well, try adding more definition to it by adding middle frequencies...Also I feel gain was a little to strong (maybe I'm imagining it since I tell that to everyone so far)..I just imagined cleaner , healthier guitar colors for this type of backing..Your phrasing has improved a lot! You really started strong and keep it till the end..All notes were in place.I liked how you added expression tools..Some notes were weaker but its cool - this is an straight improv right ? I would suggest paying a little more attention to vibrato and hammer ons/pull offs.Also string muting to make the solo even cleaner.You really started getting hand on improvising..Good job Kaznie , great to have you in this collab!

9.Toroso


Here we have a really soft and mellow solo! Regarding your tone , I have to suggest lowering delay and effects.Really clean sound would work really well with this type of track.Other thing I noticed when mixing were dynamics.Some notes are too loud some are really quite..Try practicing dynamics to make your playing more even.You can do that by picking one note against a metronome starting from really quite to very loud picking..In time you will get more control and be able to play loud or quite intentionally inside phrases where you want to.I liked the idea to start by playing single notes slowly..It sounded pretty interesting..Maybe you could have developed the solo a little more in the second part of it to prepare it for culmination/ending..What I would suggest is muting strings you are not playing with your left and right hands to get a really clean sound.Interesting solo idea overall , I really missed a clean solo so far so I'm glad you recorded it!!! Good job Toroso!

10.Wabba

Another first collab recording!! Its really great you have started doing collabs because they offer you a valuable recording experience,..Also you have the proof when you make a progress (if you compare old takes to new ones).Let's start with comments.You have recorded guitar pretty well..Sound is strong, maybe a little too much gain in there..Try taming it..Also adding some bass frequencies would work interesting..You had interesting solo idea.Here are some tips how to make your phrasing more interesting.Try not to play one lick/phrase per chord rather extending phrases over chord changes..That will make your playing smooth..One more idea , try constructing questions and answer phrases..In this take you have pretty much played same phrases over different chords.Think of a solo as a conversation, you need to make pauses (to breath) and there are questions and answers in your speech.Also some sentences are longer then others..Try varying length of phrases (and pauses positioning).Playing with rhythm is also always welcome (use different note lengths in phrases) to make the solo groovy.On longer notes try applying vibrato.Adding bends , hammer-ons , pull-offs will really make a solo sound interesting..This was a nice effort and I'm sure if you apply any of this suggestions that the next solo will be much better !! Great to have you playing in this collab mate!

11. Caelumamittendum

This take had loads of energy in it!! Guitar tone was nice , though a little too much distorted and muddy (lower gain)..Try EQing to make it brighter (adding middles and treble would would great).I really liked how you combined lots of techniques (shreddy!) in this take..Phrasing was very interesting from start to the end..I really have no remarks there , its sounded great.I would recommend cleaning up a little your tone (and your playing by string muting techniques).Speed burst in the very end was great for culmination of the solo! Even though track is not like that , shredding really sounded cool against it! Great solo overall , thanks for playing in this one!!!

12. Enforcer

Its great you managed to record your take for this one! You are student instructor and you know your way around.Guitar tone was really healthy !!! Only delay sounded too much to me..You got a really natural tone good job one that..Also one thing I noticed is that your take didn't need any syncing at all, I guess you got a really good recording interface!! I liked the feeling you evoked in this solo..Phrasing was really good and expressive and that shreddy ghost in the end did its thing well!!! Really cool to have your take closing this collab , thanks for joining man!!!


Cheers and see you in my next collab!! smile.gif






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post Jan 31 2009, 05:12 PM
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Thank you Bogdan for your comments, it was great and fun to record a take for this beautiful bt smile.gif For recording this I just used USB interface of my podxtpro as a soundcard in cubase le. But before recording the take, I made sure that the bt was starting at 0:00:00 point, then recorded my take, then exported guitar only track by muting bt... Thats all biggrin.gif

Once again thank you for this collaboration, it was fun!


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post Jan 31 2009, 05:29 PM
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Cheers for the comments Bogdan. I was really inspired with this collab mainly down to your excellent backing track.

Definately need to work on my tone as you suggested as it is a bit artifical sounding. I have been working on my bending and vibrato but I feel its still weak.

Great playing from the rest of the guys in this collab too.

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post Jan 31 2009, 06:21 PM
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Cheers Bogdan

Many thanks for the helpful comments and the time you spent putting this together.

All the guys did good takes and the mix sounds good


Great advice included in your comments I shall certainly be trying more collabs in future.


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post Jan 31 2009, 07:22 PM
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QUOTE (enforcer @ Jan 31 2009, 05:12 PM) *
Thank you Bogdan for your comments, it was great and fun to record a take for this beautiful bt smile.gif For recording this I just used USB interface of my podxtpro as a soundcard in cubase le. But before recording the take, I made sure that the bt was starting at 0:00:00 point, then recorded my take, then exported guitar only track by muting bt... Thats all biggrin.gif

Once again thank you for this collaboration, it was fun!



QUOTE (Crazyfret @ Jan 31 2009, 05:29 PM) *
Cheers for the comments Bogdan. I was really inspired with this collab mainly down to your excellent backing track.

Definately need to work on my tone as you suggested as it is a bit artifical sounding. I have been working on my bending and vibrato but I feel its still weak.

Great playing from the rest of the guys in this collab too.

I look forward to the next one



QUOTE (Boson @ Jan 31 2009, 06:21 PM) *
Cheers Bogdan

Many thanks for the helpful comments and the time you spent putting this together.

All the guys did good takes and the mix sounds good


Great advice included in your comments I shall certainly be trying more collabs in future.


It was pleasure collaborating with you guys !! I think we all made a good and unique piece of music here!! smile.gif

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post Jan 31 2009, 07:54 PM
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Thanks Bogdan. I'm still somewhat insecure about playing and that shows. I'm working hard on my current project to break out into new areas.


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post Jan 31 2009, 08:47 PM
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Thanks a lot for your comments and mixing Bogdan!.

I surely agree with your suggestion to make the last part a bit more different (actually since a couple of weeks I am progressing with fretboard knowledge a lot, so hopefully this will be resolved soonish smile.gif). My sound will hopefully get better now I have a POD studio UX2, I was always struggling with my sound in the collabs up to the last one smile.gif.


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YESS, it's finally here! I have some collabs running in the meantime where I participated and it's always nice to see them complete!

Thank you for your comments Bogdan and all you effort - and ofc the great and smooth BT biggrin.gif I think I'll simply sign up for all your further collabs now! laugh.gif laugh.gif No, seriously. I want to be a constant participator of these collabs no matter what style they're in!

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Thanks Bogdan! As far as the straight improv goes, I write little parts for some collabs, here I used my old style tongue.gif I just start improvising and after a few takes the beginning is formed and in al the later tries the beginning is somewhat the same, but al the rest is improvised yes!


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QUOTE (Toroso @ Jan 31 2009, 07:54 PM) *
Thanks Bogdan. I'm still somewhat insecure about playing and that shows. I'm working hard on my current project to break out into new areas.


That's a good plan!! Good luck with the practicing! smile.gif


QUOTE (Velvet Roger @ Jan 31 2009, 08:47 PM) *
Thanks a lot for your comments and mixing Bogdan!.

I surely agree with your suggestion to make the last part a bit more different (actually since a couple of weeks I am progressing with fretboard knowledge a lot, so hopefully this will be resolved soonish smile.gif). My sound will hopefully get better now I have a POD studio UX2, I was always struggling with my sound in the collabs up to the last one smile.gif.


Great to hear about your fretboard progress and obtaining UX2 smile.gif I have the same interface - its very good!!
Hope to see you in my future colalbs!


QUOTE (berko @ Feb 1 2009, 12:18 AM) *
YESS, it's finally here! I have some collabs running in the meantime where I participated and it's always nice to see them complete!

Thank you for your comments Bogdan and all you effort - and ofc the great and smooth BT biggrin.gif I think I'll simply sign up for all your further collabs now! laugh.gif laugh.gif No, seriously. I want to be a constant participator of these collabs no matter what style they're in!

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Great man , I'll be counting on you then for the future ones!! smile.gif This was a very fun collab ! smile.gif


QUOTE (kaznie_NL @ Feb 1 2009, 10:07 AM) *
Thanks Bogdan! As far as the straight improv goes, I write little parts for some collabs, here I used my old style tongue.gif I just start improvising and after a few takes the beginning is formed and in al the later tries the beginning is somewhat the same, but al the rest is improvised yes!


Great job on tackling the improvising Kaz! Its good idea to try out few times and keep the licks you like..That way solo will be much more defined... smile.gif
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Really great, nice work Bogdan! Listnend to all parts, with comments, I can learn from this too, even if I did not participate!


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Thanks for the commnt Bogdan i will work on my sound untill the next one


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Thanks a lot for mixing and comments, Bogdan. I really appreciate your advices. And you really make me proud of myself! After all this was my first rock lead ever! (My first lead ever?).
Using a pick is new to me (playing acoustic fingerstyle before) so this was encouraging. Thanks again. You've done a great job.
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Thanks for another great collab, Bogdan. Well done to all who participated.
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