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post Feb 3 2009, 08:59 PM
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Hello everyone..

I was wondering if anybody could help me out..
I have this small piece, and i would very much like to add another guitar to it to make it sound even better.. i could play the same on top, but couldn't we make it even more sexy by, whats it called, harmonizing it?

it goes something like this..

--------2--------3--------3--------3--------
--------3--------3--------3--------3--------
--------2--------0--------0--------0--------
--------0--------x--------x--------x--------
-----------------3--------2--------3--------
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i have provided an attachment for you to hear it as well..

Thanks in advance.. smile.gif
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post Feb 3 2009, 09:05 PM
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https://www.guitarmasterclass.net/guitar_fo...?showtopic=9562

im bad at explaining things so here is Andrews lesson on harmonies smile.gif


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post Feb 3 2009, 09:27 PM
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so how does it work..

do i look at it from a chord perspective.. first chord is D.. the 3rd interval in the D scale is F#.. however, playing F# over D sounds horrible (in this case anyways)..

i dont get it.. ohmy.gif

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post Feb 3 2009, 09:39 PM
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I think it works best on singe notes, but you could try with a capo. Just set the capo on a fret and play the same chords with the capo as '0'.
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post Feb 3 2009, 09:47 PM
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Ok, lets take this slow, we have to find a scale fitting over those chords.

First one is D
Second is C G D => Csus2
Third is B G D => Gmaj

D E F# G A B C will do, this is D major with a minor 7th (edit2: it was a mixolydian at all biggrin.gif silly me)

you can harmonize this using this scale...

You pick notes from this scale, like over D you can use Fdim for example, use this notes and use your ear you'll do just fine I believe laugh.gif

I did something to help you check that out:

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post Feb 3 2009, 10:02 PM
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This lesson may help.


https://www.guitarmasterclass.net/ls/songwriting-metal/


He talks here about harmonizing in thirds for a big guitar sound.


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post Feb 3 2009, 10:06 PM
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im no expert so it might be wrong but

theres a lesson here i think lians that he explains maidens way of harmonizing their guitars.
he suggests adding the 3 above your notes or 5th or 6th

or if you want to add so riffing find out what scale are you using and add little riff from that scale
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post Feb 3 2009, 10:32 PM
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There is couple of ways you can go here when harmonizing.
Most common ones are using diatonic 3rds. So if you are in key of D mixolydian (G major scale) then you have D E F# G A B C and D notes.
Lets say your melody was D note, well you should harmonize it with diatonic 3rd which would be 2 notes away from D (skip E you get F#) ! Cool trick you can do is INVERT INTERVAL and now you have F# in bottom D as your top note - and now you get harmony in diatonic 6ths !!!

You can use 4ths and 5ths as they give that powerchord rock sound.

Its entirely up to you really. Try it out and post some samples wink.gif


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post Feb 3 2009, 11:15 PM
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okay.. it seems i need to try different kinds of harmonizing..

thank you so far for all your answers.. i just got a little bit smarter tonight.. not much.. but just a little.. biggrin.gif
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post Feb 4 2009, 09:48 AM
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QUOTE (Pedja Simovic @ Feb 3 2009, 10:32 PM) *
There is couple of ways you can go here when harmonizing.
Most common ones are using diatonic 3rds. So if you are in key of D mixolydian (G major scale) then you have D E F# G A B C and D notes.
Lets say your melody was D note, well you should harmonize it with diatonic 3rd which would be 2 notes away from D (skip E you get F#) ! Cool trick you can do is INVERT INTERVAL and now you have F# in bottom D as your top note - and now you get harmony in diatonic 6ths !!!

You can use 4ths and 5ths as they give that powerchord rock sound.

Its entirely up to you really. Try it out and post some samples wink.gif


I have a side question here concerning the scale used.. In this particular case i would definately say that i am in the Key of D.. i usually use the D minor pentatonic to solo over it..
(this mostly because i dont know any other scale yet.. actually i know the major scale but haven't put it to use yet)

But as you say the G-major scale contains all these notes, and you mention the D mixolydian, would the D mixolydian mode work especially well in this context??? more so than the minor pentatonic and D major scale??

thanks..

edit: and if i understand modes, i play the G-major scale, but begin the scale on the D note making it the D-mixolydian mode in the G-major scale?

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QUOTE (-Zion- @ Feb 4 2009, 10:48 AM) *
I have a side question here concerning the scale used.. In this particular case i would definately say that i am in the Key of D.. i usually use the D minor pentatonic to solo over it..
(this mostly because i dont know any other scale yet.. actually i know the major scale but haven't put it to use yet)

But as you say the G-major scale contains all these notes, and you mention the D mixolydian, would the D mixolydian mode work especially well in this context??? more so than the minor pentatonic and D major scale??

thanks..

edit: and if i understand modes, i play the G-major scale, but begin the scale on the D note making it the D-mixolydian mode in the G-major scale?


The reason why D mixolydian works here rather than G major is that your key to the progression is D. So, when you play that scale over it, you are actually playing G major notes but, you need to think like you have to return to D all the time at the end of 4 bars, as this is where this progression will rest, so you play G major notes from D note to D note, that gives you D mixolydian.

D minor pentatonic and D major scale wont work (at least in theory) over this progression, because D major has a major 7th which is C#, which is incompatible with your chords that contains C note. The reason why D minor pentatonic wont work over this chords is the presence of the minor 3rd in D minor pentatonic scale. (In your first chord you have a major3rd) but this is in theory. You'll see that D Blues scale will work over this progression from time to time, although it has a minor3rd, this is a speciality maybe oddity of the blues scales...

Hope this helps you...


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Vigier G.V Wood HH
American Stratocaster Maple Standart with X2N bridge pickups
Samwick Artist custom modified Baswood Lespaul with S.Duncan JB and N56 pickups
Self made Fretless Strat type made of Rosewood/Maple with self wound Neck and Ibanez V8 Bridge Pickups
Floor Pod 2.0 Amp Simulation System
Pod Xt Pro Rack Amp Simulation System
Digitech TSR 12 Rack Effect and Studio Reverb
Behringer Composer Rack Compressor Expander
Morley Bad Horsie Wah Pedal
Behringer FB1010 Floor Board



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