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post Feb 4 2009, 06:20 PM
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This may be obvious to some, but this is me asking. tongue.gif

How does one go about transferring a lick from one key to the next, or scale to scale maybe is better?

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post Feb 4 2009, 06:23 PM
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From one key to the next I think it's just a matter of rising every note a half step.

From one scale to another it will be about using the same pattern, but different intervals.

Hmm... actually tongue.gif I'm not sure. I think some of the pros have better explanations.


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post Feb 4 2009, 06:24 PM
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Here's a topic where I've made a large explanation with written examples

https://www.guitarmasterclass.net/guitar_fo...showtopic=23427


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post Feb 4 2009, 06:25 PM
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Very simply you just put every fret in the lick down/up the same number of frets.
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post Feb 4 2009, 06:32 PM
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QUOTE (SonofDestiny @ Feb 4 2009, 12:23 PM) *
Hmm... actually tongue.gif I'm not sure. I think some of the pros have better explanations.



LOL! biggrin.gif That's what happened to me too. Made my head hurt. huh.gif

I guess what I'm asking is, if scales don't have the same notes, what would you use? Intervals? I don't know?


Thanks Ramiro, I'll try to digest that. wink.gif


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post Feb 4 2009, 06:51 PM
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Well if you're just transposing it then you just move all the notes by teh same number of tones, but if you're changing scale, you need to work out what intervals all the notes are. The work out what notes those intervals would be in the new scale.
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post Feb 4 2009, 07:32 PM
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What I do, is that I find out the intervals for the lick.

Lets say I have a lick in Ionian. It can contain these intervals:

Root - Major Second - Major Third - Perfect Fourth - Perfect Fifth - Major Sixth - Major Seventh.

Then I take that lick and find the root and EVERY interval.

Then I play it in Lydian, the same intervals but I raise the Fourth 1 half step.

Then I play it in Mixolydian, the same intervals as Ionian but I lower the seventh one half step.

Then I do it Dorian style. Same as mixolydian but I lower the third one half step.

Then aeolian - lower the sixth one half step.

Phrygian - same as aeolian but lower the Major second to a minor second (one half step).

Now do locrian, lower the Perfect fifth to a diminished fifth (one half step down).

Now I try to connect them. Play them Ionian Dor... Ph Lyd Mixo Ae and Locrian, slowly. All with the same root, let's say C.

Then you can do it modally up from C, like C ionian, D dorian, etc. All in one box, then do it in every box. Then you could do it with harmonic minor and its modes and melodic minor and its modes.

This is the crazy way, but it's a good one. Because your practising transposing modally. This is a pretty cool thing to do because if you do EVERYTHING I said. When learning your favourite lick, you get 21 good licks that is easy to connect and improvise with. You are also learning notes on the fretboard, intervals, relative pitch hearing (associating sounds relative to the root with intervals).

It takes time though and if you're in a hurry you'll need to jump to the mode you wanna play in right away and skip the other ones.


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post Feb 4 2009, 08:06 PM
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You have to have more or less good ear for that, I mean, it can be done by some theory knowledge, but it is far more amusing and useful to do it your self, figuring it out!


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post Feb 5 2009, 01:01 AM
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As Vasilije said, theory and scale knowledge can be of lot of help, but using your ear is what makes it fun as well. Trying to mix and match different licks into different scales, and doing that for some periods of time makes it second nature - just like practicing on a technique. It's skill.


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post Feb 5 2009, 01:53 AM
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Simplest way to move everything you play few frets up or down,
depends of keys.
But as you know, you can play same note on few different places on
the fretboard, once you know all the notes on the fretboard
and start thinking in intervals or degrees (spot on Oxac)
transposing is really piece of cake.
And of course use your ear,
actually ear should do most of the work in the beginning,
then you'll gain enough knowledge and routine,
after that you just transpose without much thinking,
it comes natural. smile.gif


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post Feb 5 2009, 02:55 AM
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Great question Toroso smile.gif


First thing I have to say about it is you have to really know your scales well. Thats very strong starting point! Once you know scales, you need to practice connecting them ex going from C dorian to Bb dorian etc Then you have to practice making music with those scales, not just running up and down scales without any melodic purpose !

I will talk about this more in next collaboration but there is definitely a lot of things to work on smile.gif


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