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Ramiro Delforte
post Feb 7 2009, 01:55 AM
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In this topic I want to share some music that sometimes is not well known.
As you may know the XX century made a big change in the aesthetics of the classical music. You can notice that even in the late romanticism with the birth of the nationalisms and the impressionism living together and later joined by the second vienna school (Schoenberg, Webern, Berg).

I'm going to leave some links to works of the great composers of the second half of the XX century, and if you like this post I'll consider to talk about the specific composers and maybe some of the composers of the first half of the XX c.

I make this post as a starter into this music. I know that for some of you that are not used to the dissonances and could be harsh to listen.

Luciano Berio (Italy)

Here is the Secuenza for Guitar, he wrote 14 secuenzas for different instruments. I post here the guitar secuenza but there are some amazing pieces like the one for oboe.



Gyorgy Ligeti (Rumania)

He's one of my favourite composers. He works with mass structures and you may have listened to some of his works if you watched the 2001: Space Odyssey.

This is one of the piano etudes that he wrote. This etudes are very complex to play and as you may notice they have some time signatures that resemblance the progressive music.



Lux aeterna is a work for a choir and he uses a cannon technique (although the cannon is not hearable).



Karlheinz Stockhausen (Germany)

He's one of the most controvesial composers, he's got a perspective on the whole music world that is very huge. One of the massive works he composed is an opera that took him 25 years and it's called Licht. It's lenght is almost 25 hours.

I leave here the video that I've found of Hymnen a piece made of a variety of national anthems.



One of his Klavierstuckes that has got the score in the video so you'll see how is written.



Iannis Xenakis (Grece)

He's the most radical composer, he has dedicated a great part of his work to the relation between the stockastics and the music.

Here I leave Metastasis, a work for 60 instruments.



And Rebonds a work for percussion, I really like this one smile.gif



Pierre Boulez (France)

He was, like Stockhausen too, a pupil of Oliver Messiaen. One of the great composers of the serialism and also he became an amazing orchestra director. Also he conducted the famous IRCAM in France for many years.
I'll leave you with his notations for orchestra.




Steve Reich (USA)

I include Steve Reich although his aethetics is radical different from the other composers that I've inlcuded but with this I think you'd feel more close to his music. His a minimalist composer, for my taste, the best and the most cleaver one.

Here is Pat Metheny playing the third movement of the work named Electric Counterpoint.



And this also is one of his most know works "Music for 18 musicians"




I hope this post will encourage to research and if you liked it let me know so I make a more detailed post about more unkown composers.


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post Feb 7 2009, 10:51 AM
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Thanks Ramiro. I'd only heard of Steve Reich out of all of these composers so I'll definitely check the other ones out. smile.gif
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Although he is not really an "unknown composer", I very much admire the work of the English composer John Tavener. In his early career he was influenced by Stravinsky but he quickly developed a very spacious style that is all his own. Some examples of his work follow:










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post Feb 7 2009, 01:00 PM
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Thanks Ramiro smile.gif .

Those interested may also want to check out some/all of the following:

Mark Anthony Turnage - young English composer . Here's one short out-take from his opera 'Greek'. One of his best pieces is 'Blood on the floor' - written for John Scofield, Peter Erskine and Martin Robinson. Turnage often beings in other muysical traditoins in to his compositions.

Witold Lutolawski - particularly his sequence 'Chain 1', 'Chain 2', 'Chain 3'. Has used Polish folk music in his compositions along with Schoenberg's 12 tone row and John Cage's aleatory approach.

John Cage - perhaps best known for the controversy over 4' 33'', John Cage helped pioneer the idea of chance circumstances occurring in music, the use of 'prepared' instruments and non-musical instruments (for instance children's toys). Some of his better known pieces include Perilous Night, Music of Changes, Imaginary Landscape, Litany for the whale.

Thomas Ades - another young English composer who is also reknowned for his interpretations of Conlon Nancarrow, Schubert and others. One of his best pieces was his first opera, 'Powder her face'.

Charles Koechlin - French composer who used Schoenberg's twelve tone row to compose the rather beautiful 'Jungle book' (not the disney score btw).

Rhys Chatham - great American composer and guitar player who is influenced by punk rock. Some of his work was collected in the 3 cd set 'An angel moves too fast to see' which included a piece composed for 100 electric guitars. He's worked with Husker DU, Sonic Youth, Tortoise, Brian Eno, Robert Fripp and Steve Reich, to name a few.

Glenn Branca - like Chatham he's a guitar player and avant garde composer and is known for using alternate tunings and the harmonic series. He formed the group Theoretical Girls in the late 70s and has since worked with Sonic Youth, Helmet and Swans. Some pieces worth checking out - 'Symphony 9 (l'eve future)' and 'World upside down' and 'Hallucination city'

There are an awful lot more modern composers worth checking out as well.

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post Feb 7 2009, 05:57 PM
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Thanks for sharing, I'll check them out biggrin.gif
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Thanks Ramiro what a cool topic - the first one, Luciano - is a shredder from hell! laugh.gif


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post Feb 8 2009, 12:26 AM
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Kris: sure he is hahaha biggrin.gif

Some of the composers that tonymiro named are what I've called "great" composers and others are not.
Witold Lutolawski and John Cage are great composers, and by that I mean that they contribute a lot to the XX century music while the others composers are good composers, Thomas Ades writes really good music but are not important as the two I mentioned from tonymiro's list.

So, regarding I have a good response on this topic I think I'll be covering some composers and I could maybe get into some analytical perspective of some works. And I'll be covering lots of composers from all the XX century, from Stravisnky and Bartok to La Monte Young and Arvo Part and from Sorabji to Joaquin Turina...

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post Feb 8 2009, 12:35 AM
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They sound pretty odd. biggrin.gif I only know György Ligeti. I´ve heard that he is a scientist and composes very strictly, very scientific as you can hear in his pieces. This one is weird, too, because it has no time signature. biggrin.gif
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post Feb 8 2009, 01:04 AM
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Well Tolek, Ligeti is not a scientific but he likes a lot science and he had many many friends who are scientists. You can relate his music with some fractals or some mathematical theorys that are similar.
This piano etudes are under the influence of the music of Conlon Nancarrow a Spanish composer who was radicated in Mexico and he used to make music for pianolas (you know, the pianos that are played by themselves because they carry some rolls with a mecanic system). That music is really odd because is impossible to play, physically imposible for an interpreter.

Funny fact: Shawn Lane said one time that Buckethead listened to the music of Nancarrow and tried to emulate its sound (he didn't know that it was impossible and was played by a pianola) and in that way he invented that weird tapping that he plays (for example in the solo of Jordan).


Some pieces sometimes doesn't even need a measure. In this case for example the feel of the piece turns into some very hard displacements in the rhythmic field, but if you see the score the bars are still written in some way.
Here I leave you a link to an analysis of the meter in that work. http://ccrma-www.stanford.edu/~tkunze/pbl/...dre/ligeti.html


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post Feb 8 2009, 04:24 AM
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Excelent post Ramiro! Great music and information. smile.gif


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Awesome thread with loads of information, gonna check it out, thanks!


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I'm rather fond of Arvo Part. I think Miserere is a real masterpiece.


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QUOTE (Tolek @ Feb 7 2009, 05:35 PM) *
They sound pretty odd. biggrin.gif I only know György Ligeti. I´ve heard that he is a scientist and composes very strictly, very scientific as you can hear in his pieces. This one is weird, too, because it has no time signature. biggrin.gif



Call it intersting all you want I thought it was annoying and far from music.

I'm sure that dude could school me and half the people here in music but I really don't find anything worth listening to there.

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