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post May 6 2009, 10:05 PM
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Finally, I managed to do something for the MTP.



Not perfect, especially timing and cleanness need a bit polishing, I think. Something else that you see?
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post May 6 2009, 10:29 PM
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Hello Tolek, great to see you with new take!! smile.gif

I see some progress here, no doubt,
one of the major things I always pay attention at when listening
to Canon Rock is the way how riffing part is played,
many players do not think a lot about that part
and they play it just to get over it and start with main theme.
That very riffing (as any other riffing more or less)
should be played as tight as possible and you've done some work on that
compared with your previous takes, you were late a bit on those
few notes after last D chord (G,F#,E and D I think),
probably string skipping makes you some problems to get on time,
focus on that part and clean it a little.

Ok, next thing I noticed are problems at 1:43 which is kind of B theme,
(it appears again during song and there's also a minor version),
you had same problems at the same place in older takes.
I don't think fingering is the problem, looks more like undefined picking to me.
Here are few advices tho.
As far as I can see you're using kind of AP picking most of the time,
with couple of pull-offs, even hybrid picking, not sure 100%, my eyes aint' that good.
You should play every note with the pick but don't go for straight AP,
there are gaps in rhythmic patters, play is down,then down again,up down etc.
There's s longer note at the beginning of each sequence, play it with downstroke
and then continue with downstroke and AP after that, try and let me know how it works.

And of course sweeping part, you really need to clean it up,
or play something on your own, why not!!
If you still wanna play those A arpeggios then loop the section,
go very slowly, watch your picking hand and fix all errors that might appear,

Then tapping at 3:37, you wanted to play something very fast
(not sure if original Canon Rock has this part) but your sync wasn't that great
so it sounded very nervous and you swallowed lots of notes.
You could try to play something in triplets there or any other fine grouping,
just construct it nicely so every note would sound nicely.

I hope this helps a bit, keep'em coming, good work Tolek! smile.gif


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post May 6 2009, 10:37 PM
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Thanks, Muris. Very helpful! smile.gif
Here´s my version of it in GP:
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post May 7 2009, 06:22 PM
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QUOTE (Tolek @ May 6 2009, 11:37 PM) *
Thanks, Muris. Very helpful! smile.gif
Here´s my version of it in GP:


Ok, I had look at your modified version and I did
some editing.
First the hybrid picking part, there are some fast A arpeggio pattern shapes,
I edited that so now you have A, G and A arpeggios,
this is less shifting for your left hand and even gives
more color to the section cause you play 2 different arpeggios
and not just one.
And I wrote picking pattern for section right after that,
not entirely but just few bars so you could get the idea.

Tapping part 152-155 bars is really too fast to play
if you want it to sound nicely,
you can really try something with slower note values,
there are many options but let me know if you're running out of ideas! smile.gif

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post May 7 2009, 09:08 PM
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QUOTE (Muris Varajic @ May 7 2009, 07:22 PM) *
Ok, I had look at your modified version and I did
some editing.
First the hybrid picking part, there are some fast A arpeggio pattern shapes,
I edited that so now you have A, G and A arpeggios,
this is less shifting for your left hand and even gives
more color to the section cause you play 2 different arpeggios
and not just one.
And I wrote picking pattern for section right after that,
not entirely but just few bars so you could get the idea.

Tapping part 152-155 bars is really too fast to play
if you want it to sound nicely,
you can really try something with slower note values,
there are many options but let me know if you're running out of ideas! smile.gif

Attached File  JerryC_Canon_Rock_modify_Muris.gp5 ( 28.33K ) Number of downloads: 9

Thanks, Muris, that´s great! smile.gif However, I don´t see a logical reason to use economy picking here. AP works well... Just tell me a reason, I´m curious. biggrin.gif
Running out of idead? Me? Never. biggrin.gif
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post May 7 2009, 10:05 PM
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QUOTE (Tolek @ May 7 2009, 10:08 PM) *
Thanks, Muris, that´s great! smile.gif However, I don´t see a logical reason to use economy picking here. AP works well... Just tell me a reason, I´m curious. biggrin.gif
Running out of idead? Me? Never. biggrin.gif


Economy?
No, I wrote typical AP patterns for all notes that are connected,
I putted 2 downstrokes ONLY when there's a gap between notes
so that way you have downstroke for every first note on each beat,
that's the idea and it works much better for sync and coordination. smile.gif


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post May 7 2009, 10:19 PM
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QUOTE (Muris Varajic @ May 7 2009, 11:05 PM) *
Economy?
No, I wrote typical AP patterns for all notes that are connected,
I putted 2 downstrokes ONLY when there's a gap between notes
so that way you have downstroke for every first note on each beat,
that's the idea and it works much better for sync and coordination. smile.gif

So, actually it´s EP on certain places only. OK. I´m just getting familiar with the picking and I nearly finished the new tapping section. smile.gif

OK, finished. smile.gif I arranged it so that there aren´t many big position shiftings.
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post May 7 2009, 11:41 PM
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QUOTE (Tolek @ May 7 2009, 11:19 PM) *
So, actually it´s EP on certain places only.


No Tolek, there is NO economy picking there at all,
where did you get that idea?? smile.gif

Oh yeah. tapping section sounds so much more doable now, well done imo!
Btw, I couldn't see that you changed those arpeggios after I edited them? smile.gif

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post May 8 2009, 07:09 PM
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QUOTE (Muris Varajic @ May 8 2009, 12:41 AM) *
No Tolek, there is NO economy picking there at all,
where did you get that idea?? smile.gif

Oh yeah. tapping section sounds so much more doable now, well done imo!
Btw, I couldn't see that you changed those arpeggios after I edited them? smile.gif

So, what is economy picking? It´s picking with as less motion as possible right? When you do an downstroke on B string, you do an downstroke on E string, as well. Correct? Kind of sweeping...
Oh, holy cow! I just realized it. laugh.gif I´m so stupid, sorry! biggrin.gif biggrin.gif I thought it was EP just because there were consequent 2 downstrokes. rolleyes.gif
The tapping section is much easier to do now. And I didn´t change those arpeggios because they sound good. biggrin.gif I could do x varitions on it, but I like your version. smile.gif
I´ll post a take as soon as possible. I don´t think that I´ll manage to do it this week or next week. Maybe next weekend... Monday, I´ll have 2 concerts at school (Gary Moore - Still Got the Blues, Metallica - The Day that Never Comes,...) and then on Wednesday one in Luxembourg City with the school orchestra (Queen - Bohemian Rhapsody, Those 2 thick chicks singing "Raining Men" laugh.gif, ...) and on Saturday anotehr concert. So, program is full. biggrin.gif
Cheers! smile.gif
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QUOTE (Tolek @ May 8 2009, 08:09 PM) *
So, what is economy picking? It´s picking with as less motion as possible right? When you do an downstroke on B string, you do an downstroke on E string, as well. Correct? Kind of sweeping...
Oh, holy cow! I just realized it. laugh.gif


There you go, it's 2 downstrokes on the same string. biggrin.gif

Best of luck for your concerts and everything,
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post May 10 2009, 02:17 PM
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Quick update. smile.gif But only on the tapping part and Mojo Oro. laugh.gif laugh.gif
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laugh.gif It was damn funny even with first accident but second one got me totally. laugh.gif

Happened to me many times tho, I always use headphones
except when I'm recording videos. biggrin.gif

You learned notes nicely for Mojo Oro
but there are some problems with picking,
you hand looks like you were playing economy
but you used AP of course.
IMO you need to free your hand more,
give more space for every single pick, feel each pick,
move hand even more, make wider moves.
I know it takes some time and you won't be able
to play a lot fast that way (if you move a lot)
but it's good method to get your hand well balanced,
let each note gets the same amount of attack, kind of.

Try it, see how it works for you. smile.gif


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Ok, here´s the whole first lesson without BT. Is the picking ok now?

And what about the the new tapping part? I think it´s much better. smile.gif

BTW, I think I should buy wireless headphones or monitoring speakers. biggrin.gif
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I think you can still try with wider movements,
less gain, even a clean sound and wider movement,
that would be best overview of what's going on with your picking.
Oh, and btw, you seem to anchor your picky and even ring finger on the pickguard,
my advice is not to do that a lot.
If you wanna/need some kind of a stand for your picking hand
then IMO it's wiser to set top of your palm slightly on the bridge,
position similar to one when you play palm muting but just without muting.

And yeah, tapping part in Cannon is much better and articulated now! smile.gif


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As you know, I´ve been playing at school on Monday. Here´s the result. biggrin.gif

Gary Moore - Still got the Blues



Metallica - The Day That Never Comes
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That was very nice Tolek!!!!

I won't comment Metallica's song atm
cause there was much more going on in Still Got The Blues.
You played main theme very well and that one mistake
you made was nothing major indeed, it can happen to everyone.
Now the solo.
Hmm, imo you should have played longer one cause that very solo
needs more time to expand nicely, I guess you had
time limitation as well for each song, not sure.
There was the moment when you made title "bad solo coming on", true.
True just because you played it badly (tho you didn't)
but bass played played wrong note (A instead of D)
and that ruined you mood and concentration, no doubt.
He also played few wrong notes in verse, C and B instead of F and E but never mind.
And the ending, your band mates sabotaged you a lot,
they weren't following you and your ritt. at all,
they played last chord on their own instead to listen and wait for you to conduct them.

Cudos Tolek, you did well despite of everything! smile.gif


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QUOTE (Muris Varajic @ May 15 2009, 10:55 PM) *
That was very nice Tolek!!!!

I won't comment Metallica's song atm
cause there was much more going on in Still Got The Blues.
You played main theme very well and that one mistake
you made was nothing major indeed, it can happen to everyone.
Now the solo.
Hmm, imo you should have played longer one cause that very solo
needs more time to expand nicely, I guess you had
time limitation as well for each song, not sure.
There was the moment when you made title "bad solo coming on", true.
True just because you played it badly (tho you didn't)
but bass played played wrong note (A instead of D)
and that ruined you mood and concentration, no doubt.
He also played few wrong notes in verse, C and B instead of F and E but never mind.
And the ending, your band mates sabotaged you a lot,
they weren't following you and your ritt. at all,
they played last chord on their own instead to listen and wait for you to conduct them.

Cudos Tolek, you did well despite of everything! smile.gif

biggrin.gif Thanks for the comment, Muris! smile.gif
I noticed that the bass played wrong notes and I didn´t want to play much in my solo because my teacher said already that the Metallica ending was too long. Indeed, we weren´t really together at the ending. Our first rehearsal after long time was the same day. biggrin.gif
This school term, we´re going to play Final Countdown and Song 2, maybe. laugh.gif And some more songs. It´s a lot of fun playing with others. The drummer from the Metallica group and I found a band and on Sunday, I´ll go to see a friend in order to check how she sings. The drummer found a potential bass player, maybe. So, not much and I´ll play in a band. biggrin.gif Then I´ll post some more videos from gigs. wink.gif
BTW, how was my performance/stage behaviour?
And what does Cudos mean? biggrin.gif

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QUOTE (Tolek @ May 15 2009, 11:02 PM) *
BTW, how was my performance/stage behaviour?
And what does Cudos mean? biggrin.gif


Yeah, camera was focusing mostly on her btw biggrin.gif
but maybe you need more "moving" with the groove.
do not do it planned tho, just let music takes you and it'll happen naturaly.

Cudos or kudos is a way to give appreciation to someone. smile.gif


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QUOTE (Muris Varajic @ May 15 2009, 11:07 PM) *
Yeah, camera was focusing mostly on her btw biggrin.gif
but maybe you need more "moving" with the groove.
do not do it planned tho, just let music takes you and it'll happen naturaly.

Cudos or kudos is a way to give appreciation to someone. smile.gif

Yeah, she´s the singer, so very important during verse, etc.^^ Ok, I´ll try to move like at home, here I´ve got no restrictions. biggrin.gif
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QUOTE (Tolek @ May 15 2009, 11:11 PM) *
Yeah, she´s the singer, so very important during verse, etc.^^ Ok, I´ll try to move like at home, here I´ve got no restrictions. biggrin.gif


Do not think of the audience a lot, play like for yourself. smile.gif


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