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post Sep 10 2009, 01:13 AM
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cool.. welcome back Tolek.. This forum has been dead quite a long time. Should be great to see some guitars finally! smile.gif

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post Sep 10 2009, 12:36 PM
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QUOTE (maharzan @ Sep 10 2009, 02:13 AM) *
cool.. welcome back Tolek.. This forum has been dead quite a long time. Should be great to see some guitars finally! smile.gif

Hope you had a great vacation!

Thanks Chandra. smile.gif I´ll try to be more active here. Welcome to Muris´ MTP, btw. wink.gif You´ll learn a lot with him; he´s a great teacher.
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post Sep 10 2009, 12:45 PM
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QUOTE (Tolek @ Sep 10 2009, 01:29 AM) *
Here I am again. As you may know, my subscription is still inactive. I can´t pay for a new one yet... I thought that you´d like to hear something new from me. Well, here it is. biggrin.gif
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Great to have you back Tolek, even partially for now!

I'll check your work asap and lay down some comments, maybe advices if possible. smile.gif


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QUOTE (Muris Varajic @ Sep 10 2009, 01:45 PM) *
Great to have you back Tolek, even partially for now!

I'll check your work asap and lay down some comments, maybe advices if possible. smile.gif

Thanks. smile.gif Good to hear that you still want me. biggrin.gif Take your time.

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Nicely played Tolek, sweet tone tone, dry OD. smile.gif

I noticed one thing tho, right at the start of main theme.
Notes are D, D#, E - C , E - C, E - C.
You played all 3 E-C by keeping E to ring.
It was ok in first 2 times,both are over C chord.
But 3rd time you have F chord
and when you keep E ringing this F chord cannot be heard nicely imo.
So my only advice here is to play last E separate from C, don't keep it ringing,
everything else was really nice. smile.gif


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post Sep 10 2009, 01:11 PM
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QUOTE (Muris Varajic @ Sep 10 2009, 01:53 PM) *
Nicely played Tolek, sweet tone tone, dry OD. smile.gif

I noticed one thing tho, right at the start of main theme.
Notes are D, D#, E - C , E - C, E - C.
You played all 3 E-C by keeping E to ring.
It was ok in first 2 times,both are over C chord.
But 3rd time you have F chord
and when you keep E ringing this F chord cannot be heard nicely imo.
So my only advice here is to play last E separate from C, don't keep it ringing,
everything else was really nice. smile.gif

Wow, such an detail! Thanks for finding it! I´ll clean this up when I make a video for youtube. smile.gif

Btw, I talked with Emir about music universities 2 days ago. Unfortunately, I can´t study classical and electric guitar at the same time as it is a completels different profile. The current program for the e-guitar course is music from 1920 til today, so my main interest. I decided to go for e-guitar, but take my classical guitar with me. smile.gif I don´t know where to go yet. Maybe ICMP, maybe Brighton. All in all, I´ll have to play an audition (the exam). Emir said I´ll have to play a song (like Manhattan by Eric Johnson which I just started learning, or Tender Surrender by Steve Vai, so something a bit complicated to show more musical knowledge) and scales... I´ll ask my guitar teacher (yes, I subscribed for e-guitar classes biggrin.gif) to hand out the patterns for major, minor and modes. But first, I have to pass this final school year. smile.gif
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post Sep 10 2009, 09:34 PM
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You're welcome. smile.gif

As for guitar studying, there's always a sort of sacrifice in life,
often happen when studying as you can see.
But if electric guitar is your prime goal atm then go for it, why not.
I mean, you can always play and practice classical guitar,
with or without official classes or teacher.
Then later in life (many have done it) you can finish your classical studying
if you really want or need it. smile.gif

You mentioned patterns for major, minor and modes, need some help there or?


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QUOTE (Muris Varajic @ Sep 10 2009, 10:34 PM) *
You're welcome. smile.gif

As for guitar studying, there's always a sort of sacrifice in life,
often happen when studying as you can see.
But if electric guitar is your prime goal atm then go for it, why not.
I mean, you can always play and practice classical guitar,
with or without official classes or teacher.
Then later in life (many have done it) you can finish your classical studying
if you really want or need it. smile.gif

You mentioned patterns for major, minor and modes, need some help there or?

I thought this, too. I mean, I started playing on classical guitar actually and I love classical music as well, so why should I leave it? I´m gonna practise it besides e-guitar. smile.gif

If you have all the patterns, you can send me them. Would be reeeaaaly kind. smile.gif Emir showed me one:



BTW, just listened to the Pianist again. A masterpiece. biggrin.gif Love it. smile.gif

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post Sep 10 2009, 09:53 PM
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Ahh, those shapes, looks like caged system,
to be honest I never really understood whole purpose of those shapes
except that it's maybe a bit easier way for beginners to relate scale with familiar chord shapes.
And I'm even not sure if there are any more patterns than 5,
I think caged system works with 5 patterns only, not sure really,

Imo it would be much better and more profitable to focus on scales all over the neck,
play them over every single string to figure out interval relations,
chords made of that very scale and everything.
After that all those shapes and patterns become very relative
since you get a bigger weapon in your hands, the whole fretboard.
Then you can create your own pattern and shapes in a way,
you have full arsenal at hand.

Let me know if you need any help with figuring out scales/modes,
I'd be glad to help you with that. smile.gif



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post Sep 10 2009, 10:09 PM
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QUOTE (Muris Varajic @ Sep 10 2009, 10:53 PM) *
Ahh, those shapes, looks like caged system,
to be honest I never really understood whole purpose of those shapes
except that it's maybe a bit easier way for beginners to relate scale with familiar chord shapes.
And I'm even not sure if there are any more patterns than 5,
I think caged system works with 5 patterns only, not sure really,

Imo it would be much better and more profitable to focus on scales all over the neck,
play them over every single string to figure out interval relations,
chords made of that very scale and everything.
After that all those shapes and patterns become very relative
since you get a bigger weapon in your hands, the whole fretboard.
Then you can create your own pattern and shapes in a way,
you have full arsenal at hand.

Let me know if you need any help with figuring out scales/modes,
I'd be glad to help you with that. smile.gif

Yes, that´s the CAGED system. I never read about it, so I don´t know how it works. I know the whole fretboard and could play every scale, but I´d have to think a bit. Plus, I´d play it in my way, not in the way that I´m supposed to play (CAGED system).

Another little problem: I´m writing a song. I´ll show you what I´ve got until now:

VERSE
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It´s been a long time
I haven´t seen you
and I miss you so much (oh oh)

I know it´s much too long
but I´ve had my reasons
for not coming to you

Attached File  sea.mp3 ( 1.4MB ) Number of downloads: 7


I don´t know what I should write in the chorus... I´ve got an idea for the melody, tho. Can you hear that highest note that the synth strings are playing? That is going to be the base for the melody line. Can you give me an idea what I should write? BTW, it´s about the sea that is the text. smile.gif
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post Sep 10 2009, 10:20 PM
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QUOTE (Tolek @ Sep 10 2009, 11:09 PM) *
Yes, that´s the CAGED system. I never read about it, so I don´t know how it works. I know the whole fretboard and could play every scale, but I´d have to think a bit. Plus, I´d play it in my way, not in the way that I´m supposed to play (CAGED system).


That's what I would do as well
and there is NO way to tell how one should play a scale.
At the end, scale is just a playground and if you play it note by note
in a solo or make a composition that way it would probably sound
too predictable, not to say boring.
Learn where all notes are, learn to play it in all possible way
including caged system if asked.



Ohh, you need help with lyrics here or? smile.gif


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QUOTE (Muris Varajic @ Sep 10 2009, 11:20 PM) *
That's what I would do as well
and there is NO way to tell how one should play a scale.
At the end, scale is just a playground and if you play it note by note
in a solo or make a composition that way it would probably sound
too predictable, not to say boring.
Learn where all notes are, learn to play it in all possible way
including caged system if asked.

That´s what I want to be able to do. However, I have to focus on the CAGED system this year is it is asked in the audition and I want to pass!! biggrin.gif

QUOTE (Muris Varajic @ Sep 10 2009, 11:20 PM) *
Ohh, you need help with lyrics here or? smile.gif

That´s right. smile.gif
Btw, I started singing and I got much better. smile.gif
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post Sep 10 2009, 10:31 PM
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QUOTE (Tolek @ Sep 10 2009, 11:22 PM) *
That´s what I want to be able to do. However, I have to focus on the CAGED system this year is it is asked in the audition and I want to pass!! biggrin.gif


I see. biggrin.gif
I would really love to help you with CAGED but I never really used it.
I hope you can get more charts on the net IF there are any extra.
It has few major lacks indeed, think of all 7 modes
and how you cannot actually play them all if you follow CAGED.
Imo it's kind a pointless but people use it and even ask for it on auditions
so I won't say anything further. biggrin.gif

QUOTE (Tolek @ Sep 10 2009, 11:22 PM) *
That´s right. smile.gif
Btw, I started singing and I got much better. smile.gif


Hmm, I really don't have lot of experience with lyrics, specially not in english.
I DO song a lot in english, probably a lot more than in bosnian
but I never really wrote a lyric in english.
But as for light motif you might write about how great it is,
how independent it is, how it affects our lifes and everything else.
You can pretty much glorify it only,
hard to say or find bad words for sea! smile.gif


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QUOTE (Muris Varajic @ Sep 10 2009, 11:31 PM) *
I see. biggrin.gif
I would really love to help you with CAGED but I never really used it.
I hope you can get more charts on the net IF there are any extra.
It has few major lacks indeed, think of all 7 modes
and how you cannot actually play them all if you follow CAGED.
Imo it's kind a pointless but people use it and even ask for it on auditions
so I won't say anything further. biggrin.gif

Ok, we´ll forget those charts. biggrin.gif I´ll ask my future guitar teacher if he´s got them. smile.gif

QUOTE (Muris Varajic @ Sep 10 2009, 11:31 PM) *
Hmm, I really don't have lot of experience with lyrics, specially not in english.
I DO song a lot in english, probably a lot more than in bosnian
but I never really wrote a lyric in english.
But as for light motif you might write about how great it is,
how independent it is, how it affects our lifes and everything else.
You can pretty much glorify it only,
hard to say or find bad words for sea! smile.gif

Just started with the chorus. smile.gif Thanks.

Do you have an idea what I could write in the other verses?
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Here´s a video of me doing the audition for university. I was unprepared. That´s what they ask. smile.gif

I just learned the 5 positions of a Major scale in the CAGED system. I know that I played the C Mixolydian scale not in the CAGED way. smile.gif
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Good work with audition test tho there were few possible errors
so lets try to fix that while we have time. wink.gif

First of all, I noticed problems with D major pentatonic,
you used position that looks like 2nd position when you play minor pentatonic.
That shouldn't be hard one but there's easier one whatspever,
place your fingers as you if you were playing Bm pentatonic 1st position
but start from D note ofc, not B.
So you would have D note with pinky and you would still be covering 2 octaves,
going up to note D on high E string, 10th fret.

Then you were asked to name triads in harmonized C major scale,
you gave notes correctly but maybe you should also NAME triads,
C major, D minor, E minor, F major, G major and B diminished.

And finally blues 12 bars progression.
Rhythm part you played wasn't that great. sad.gif
Actually you played 10 bars of 5/4 signature.
Not sure how that happened, you were probably confused by something.
Here's one version tho:
I / I / I / I / IV / IV / I / I / V / IV / I / V /

I'm sure you do understand this progression and bar thing,
be more focused and it'll work. smile.gif


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QUOTE (Muris Varajic @ Sep 12 2009, 12:26 PM) *
Good work with audition test tho there were few possible errors
so lets try to fix that while we have time. wink.gif

First of all, I noticed problems with D major pentatonic,
you used position that looks like 2nd position when you play minor pentatonic.
That shouldn't be hard one but there's easier one whatspever,
place your fingers as you if you were playing Bm pentatonic 1st position
but start from D note ofc, not B.
So you would have D note with pinky and you would still be covering 2 octaves,
going up to note D on high E string, 10th fret.

Oh, how easy! Thanks a lot for clearing up! smile.gif


QUOTE (Muris Varajic @ Sep 12 2009, 12:26 PM) *
Then you were asked to name triads in harmonized C major scale,
you gave notes correctly but maybe you should also NAME triads,
C major, D minor, E minor, F major, G major and B diminished.

Ok, that´s even easier. smile.gif

QUOTE (Muris Varajic @ Sep 12 2009, 12:26 PM) *
And finally blues 12 bars progression.
Rhythm part you played wasn't that great. sad.gif
Actually you played 10 bars of 5/4 signature.
Not sure how that happened, you were probably confused by something.
Here's one version tho:
I / I / I / I / IV / IV / I / I / V / IV / I / V /

I'm sure you do understand this progression and bar thing,
be more focused and it'll work. smile.gif

Ok, I´ll work on this. smile.gif I actually never learned this blues progression. biggrin.gif It was just playing something that I thought was ok. I´ll learn how to blues now. smile.gif


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You're very welcome Tolek, keep me posted! smile.gif


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We have some news regarding MTP so it would be great to check them out
and prepare for new "timing". smile.gif

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Just read it again. As soon as Kris answers my message, I´ll be ready to reactivate my account and to rock with you. smile.gif However, I´m not very satisfied with the new rules. As you know, I´m pretty busy (final class at school, a lot of preparation for a big number of exams, going to music school,...) and sometimes don´t have the time to work on the assignments. I was really satisfied with the system we had in the MTP because I could manage my time and post a video how and when I wanted. Now, I´ll probably take in worse takes and I´m not gonna learn as much as before. Even so, I´ll try to do my best and get the best results. smile.gif

News from my side: I started taking guitar lessons. My teacher asked what I´d like to play. My answer: Jazz. smile.gif Now, I´m learning different arpeggio shapes, how to improvise using those shapes and pentatonics.
Concerning our MTP, do you think we could complementarily work to this? I mean: learn how to create and work a theme/motive and all the improvisation concepts,... .
What I noticed this week was pretty depressing. biggrin.gif I completely lose control of the timing when I improvise. I think it´d be useful to work on this, too.

See you soon and greetings to Sanela. smile.gif

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