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Muris Varajic
post Mar 9 2009, 12:18 PM
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QUOTE (Velvet Roger @ Mar 9 2009, 12:10 PM) *
Ok thanks smile.gif, will probably record the first part of the solo soonish (until Eb or so), to give you an idea how it's going.


Great Roger, will wait for it. smile.gif


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Hey Muris,

Ok, here it is. I have tried to stick partly to the C minor etude patterns (hence the type of solo I made), using vibrato and several bends here and there (was it better than 2 weeks ago before we started?). Also used some more speedy runs in between to spice things up a bit (could not withstand that).

Please let me know which parts you liked, and which parts can be improved so I can work on that while composing the remainder.

Cheers
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post Mar 10 2009, 02:03 AM
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I see that you feel much more free to bend the string!
However, be careful when trying whole tone and a half bends,
you did it 2-3 times but most of them were low in the pitch,
I know it's maybe little bit scary to bend string that much
but if you stared it then you have to finish it,
otherwise you end in between the notes and it sounds out of tune. smile.gif

Picking was also nice, it made cool refreshing sound
after all those longer notes, just make sure that you count
all notes correctly like 16th, 16th triplets or whatever,
random picking runs might sound kind of sloppy if they
are played without enough confidence and power,
or at least you need to end it right on time with strong note
and that way even random runs will sound ok!

And vibrato could be maybe better,
you had lot of longer notes and enough time
to perform all those wide and heavy vibratos,
perhaps you were thinking what to do next and maybe that's what
distracted you from applying nice vibrato all the time,
try to focus enough on every single, hit the strings, apply vibrato
and let is stays as long as you want but keep it sounding sweet and not nervous,
once you're done with the note you can go for next one etc.
Each note we play needs special treatment, just like kids!

How about doing another one but maybe more melodic,
try to sing a line along with the backing and then
copy some of those lines that you sang,
we're after sweet solo that\ll have our attention! smile.gif


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post Mar 10 2009, 06:55 AM
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Thanks for all the comments, still a long way to go rolleyes.gif rolleyes.gif rolleyes.gif . I will eventually get the bending/vibrato right wink.gif .

Will try to make a more melodic one this time (I actually knew the last one wasn't melodic enough, but that was because I put things in it artificially what I normally wouldn't do that much).

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post Mar 13 2009, 02:59 AM
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Sorry for delay Roger, I just arrived in US,
looking forward to new take. smile.gif


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post Mar 13 2009, 07:23 AM
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QUOTE (Muris Varajic @ Mar 13 2009, 02:59 AM) *
Sorry for delay Roger, I just arrived in US,
looking forward to new take. smile.gif


No problem Muris, hopefully I can put something together tomorrow, if not it will be end of next week as I am going to Milano for 6 days on a business trip smile.gif .

EDIT: First upload will not be before next weekend unfortunately, work and private life are quite hectic at the moment, and the business trip doesn't help either .. will take loads of theory with me though on the trip smile.gif

Have fun in the US!

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post Mar 21 2009, 06:15 PM
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Hey Muris,

Here is my new attempt (HQ setting is loads better smile.gif) to get something melodic on the backing of the C minor etude.



Looking forward to your comments smile.gif

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post Mar 25 2009, 01:18 PM
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That was way more melodic Roger, good job! smile.gif

Just pay attention at 0:31, we have Eb chord there
and you ended on C note, that's note pretty much strong note
cause Eb chord doesn't have it inside, try with Bb, G or Eb instead,
I would go with Bb tho since it's closest one to C.
Also focus more on vibrato on longer notes,
I'm sure you can notice that it's pretty nervous,
needs some more work and we will work more on that.
And last thing that I would like to talk about here is
Alternate Picking part you fired off in the middle of section,
you picked very cool spot but your timing was bit inaccurate
cause it wasn't kind a "prepared".
In improvisation we play some unprepared licks from time to time
but our hands must be comfortable with something similar
in order to pull it off nicely.
So think all licks that you wanna play, try it slowly,
see what note durations you're up to, clean it up,
play it slowly and then build the tempo.
After many licks you play it'll take less and less time
for those preparations.
How about another one with clean picking and more
slow and wide vibrato on longer notes?
You can use full backing if you want
and also think of strong notes when you lay down. smile.gif


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post Mar 25 2009, 01:56 PM
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Hey Muris,

Thanks for the extensive feedback, which is certainly helpful.

Parts of the solo were indeed improvised, including the quick part, which explains that problem.

I will post another take fairly soon, and if you agree I would like to stick with the current length for now, just to get the vibrato better and the timing issues. I really, really would like to get my vibrato/timing/bending fully controlled as it annoys be bigtime currently tongue.gif.

Was the bending generally better compared to previous takes you saw from me?

Cheers
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Hey Muris,

Here is a new take from me. I have focussed fully on the vibrato on this one and hopefully it's improved (I have at least the feeling, both during playing and after listening that it improved) compared to the previous take. Please let me know.

I also got rid of the ending at 0:30 on C (ended on Bb instead), however I know that the quick alternate part is not good yet, but I thought it would be good to know first whether the vibrato is finally getting better or not.

Thanks for the comments.

Cheers
Roger

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post Mar 27 2009, 09:30 AM
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Sorry for delay Roger, I was out of town yesterday, another gig! smile.gif

Latest clips were very good, specially the very last one,
bending is getting better and vibrato is sounding much smoother,
there is still room for improvement as you know
but there is major progress compared to when we started, no doubt!
Keep working on those and now lets work on Alternate Picking a bit.

https://www.guitarmasterclass.net/solo-guit...picking-thirds/
Here's one nice picking lesson for you that involves 3nps patterns all the time,
I'll give you full tempo backing which is 100bmp, let me know if you
need slower one, maybe you have some software to slow it down tho.
Good luck and please let me know if you need any help with it! smile.gif

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post Mar 27 2009, 07:39 PM
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Thanks Muris for the comments.

Good to hear that things are progressing wink.gif . I will start working on the AP thirds lesson, as well as continuing with the other AP exercise + solo.

I have Soundforge, so I can easily slow the backing down. Have started with that lesson a while back, and know all the 3 nps patterns already, so hopefully this won't take too long to record a reasonable take smile.gif

Off to band practice now smile.gif
Cheers
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Sounds great Roger, have fun with the band
and looking forward to new takes. smile.gif


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post Apr 7 2009, 10:39 PM
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Hey Muris,

Just a quick update from my side after we had the chat discussion last week. I have started tonight again (after I returned from the US) with the alternate picking thirds lesson and I can more or less play the 80 bpm variant. However, it's still too sloppy, so I will practice it for a couple more nights if you don't mind and post a take Friday or Saturday (I have work appointments tomorrow and the day after in the evening as well unfortunately).

The biggest problem I currently have is that my pick is moving within my fingers, which I need to correct and that results again in sloppy playing as well wink.gif

All in all a good lesson to practice!

Thanks for your patience smile.gif

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Welcome back Roger!

Take your time and some rest,
weekend seems to be just fine,
I will wait for your takes. smile.gif


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QUOTE (Muris Varajic @ Apr 8 2009, 12:23 AM) *
Welcome back Roger!

Take your time and some rest,
weekend seems to be just fine,
I will wait for your takes. smile.gif


Hey Muris,

Here is something that should sound like the lesson, it's at 80 bpm and it frustrates me really bigtime.

Somehow, I can't concentrate myself at all during this lesson (I tried it many times), while this is of crucial importance for myself to not cause all those sloppy mistakes to happen (stringnoises, out of time playing etc). As a result of that, you will get something like in this video wink.gif

I have tried at much lower speeds as well, and the result is definitely nothing better.... higher than 90 bpm and then I can see it becomes sloppy because of the speed.

I practiced this lesson now for several days, and the patterns are fully in my head (they were already before even practicing this at the beginning of the week). Besides the concentration bit (which I actually have with most of the etude kind of things, but I guess that's normal), I also notice that with those lengthy durations I have to continuously correct my picking hand (also the pick tends to move), which also doesn't help.

Anyways, sorry that I just had to vent my feelings a bit (as the frustration level was higher than I can normally cope with tongue.gif), but I guess it only shows my biggest problem at the moment: alternate picking ohmy.gif .

Hopefully you can give me some pointers how to continue with this.... Time to grab a beer and sit in the garden for a while! biggrin.gif

Cheers
Roger
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post Apr 11 2009, 05:26 PM
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I can some some struggle Roger but we can fix this in a sec!
Main thing is that you keep your
left hand wrist too much behind the neck,
you have to push it in front to get more comfort,
here you have 2 whole frets per string pretty often
and it's very hard to play that the way you do,
imagine you're playing it with legato,
you have to hold your fingers kind a vertical with frets
and that means wrist goes ahead!
Give it a shot and let me know if it's getting better! smile.gif


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QUOTE (Muris Varajic @ Apr 11 2009, 06:26 PM) *
I can some some struggle Roger but we can fix this in a sec!
Main thing is that you keep your
left hand wrist too much behind the neck,
you have to push it in front to get more comfort,
here you have 2 whole frets per string pretty often
and it's very hard to play that the way you do,
imagine you're playing it with legato,
you have to hold your fingers kind a vertical with frets
and that means wrist goes ahead!
Give it a shot and let me know if it's getting better! smile.gif


I tried this, and I certainly see the point that it gives more comfort regarding the stretching. Nevertheless, as I am not used to playing that way at all (my legato is also having the same problem I guess smile.gif), the results are even worse off than before. Will practice this for a while and see whether I can improve it.

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Muris Varajic
post Apr 11 2009, 10:51 PM
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QUOTE (Velvet Roger @ Apr 11 2009, 09:00 PM) *
I tried this, and I certainly see the point that it gives more comfort regarding the stretching. Nevertheless, as I am not used to playing that way at all (my legato is also having the same problem I guess smile.gif), the results are even worse off than before. Will practice this for a while and see whether I can improve it.

Cheers!


It depends of what you play atm Roger,
the way you hold your hand in the video
is great for bends and vibrato, no doubt,
but it doesn't work that great for stretches,
all in all we need to adapt our hands along as we play! smile.gif


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QUOTE (Muris Varajic @ Apr 11 2009, 11:51 PM) *
It depends of what you play atm Roger,
the way you hold your hand in the video
is great for bends and vibrato, no doubt,
but it doesn't work that great for stretches,
all in all we need to adapt our hands along as we play! smile.gif


Sure thing, will just take some time to get used to this new way of playing smile.gif

Cheers!

This post has been edited by Velvet Roger: Apr 11 2009, 11:23 PM


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