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Jakub Luptovec
post Feb 20 2009, 02:47 PM
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You know I was thinking - this website is around for almost 3 years I guess and I am curious when do you think that students who STARTED learning here as beginners will improve so much, they will start teaching here? My guess is two more years..

I myself cannot imagine to be part of instructors team (right next to Marcus, Muris, David etc...) and be on same level as them biggrin.gif It feels.. kinda strange. Its the same like I am 18 now and I cant get used on the feeling, that my old teachers take me now as one of them etc..

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post Feb 20 2009, 02:52 PM
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Very good question indeed but tricky to answer,
varies from one person to another I guess,
how much time has been spent on practicing and in which direction.
But nonetheless I'm really looking forward
to see many of you guys teaching here, that would be a blast! smile.gif


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post Feb 20 2009, 03:18 PM
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This is a long term goal of mine for sure. I have no idea when I will feel ready to apply tho. I have A LOT to work on still. smile.gif Gotta have goals tho, or else you lose your motivation to keep practicing, at least I do. smile.gif
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post Feb 20 2009, 03:20 PM
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Well I didn't start learning here, but I hope that in the future I'll have the courage to apply as an instructor. thugh I'm not quite sure what more I can cover that hasn't been coverd here already.


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post Feb 20 2009, 03:26 PM
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Like Muris said, its all relative !
One person can improve greatly over 1-2 years while others will take 5 years for example. It all comes down to regular practice, schedule, goals, motivation and on top of that of course lots of hard work. If you do all of the mentioned talent is going to show up one way or the other.
I also hope to see many students turn instructors here at GMC as it will bring members even closer to instructor and have similar goals smile.gif


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post Feb 20 2009, 03:29 PM
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I think that the most important skill to become an instructor is the composing skill and theory knowledge.
As we can see from multiple uploads on the forum, there are many players that can play lessons from lets say 4-7 difficulty level. And where is it written, that all the lessons uploaded by the instructor can't be of difficulty 1-4 ?

It is just the sound of the lesson that makes it interesting and so worth having on the site ( except some unique lessons like - warming up or finger independence series ). Anyway that are just my two cents.. I think that I am not able to be an instructor here not so much because of my technique, but rather because I am unable to compose a piece of music that will sound good. Also composing means using some programs to make good backingtracks, drums, bass etc.etc.
I can learn 200 GMC lessons, but without analyzing it in many spheres, practicing my own composing skills at the same time, learning how to make backingtracks, I won't be much closer to becoming an instructor than now.


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post Feb 20 2009, 03:40 PM
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You could train me up to be an instructor Muris, we can do it biggrin.gif laugh.gif


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post Feb 20 2009, 10:10 PM
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QUOTE (Ajmurrell @ Feb 20 2009, 03:40 PM) *
You could train me up to be an instructor Muris, we can do it biggrin.gif laugh.gif


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post Feb 20 2009, 10:28 PM
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I think I remember one student becoming instructor, Kris announced him and he was changing his nickname to his real name but I can't figure out who it was


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QUOTE (Rated Htr @ Feb 20 2009, 10:28 PM) *
I think I remember one student becoming instructor, Kris announced him and he was changing his nickname to his real name but I can't figure out who it was


Well, Henry Dietzel and Jad Diab were both members and SI instuctors, then both became real instructors. But I guess they were both pro players even when they joined GMC.


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post Feb 20 2009, 10:41 PM
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QUOTE (Marek Rojewski @ Feb 20 2009, 03:29 PM) *
I think that the most important skill to become an instructor is the composing skill and theory knowledge.
As we can see from multiple uploads on the forum, there are many players that can play lessons from lets say 4-7 difficulty level. And where is it written, that all the lessons uploaded by the instructor can't be of difficulty 1-4 ?

It is just the sound of the lesson that makes it interesting and so worth having on the site ( except some unique lessons like - warming up or finger independence series ). Anyway that are just my two cents.. I think that I am not able to be an instructor here not so much because of my technique, but rather because I am unable to compose a piece of music that will sound good. Also composing means using some programs to make good backingtracks, drums, bass etc.etc.
I can learn 200 GMC lessons, but without analyzing it in many spheres, practicing my own composing skills at the same time, learning how to make backingtracks, I won't be much closer to becoming an instructor than now.



Very well put Marek !
To be able to become good instructor you need the skill to teach yourself and explain things in numerous ways that will make it understandable for both professional and total beginner. Compositions, backing tracks, video editing, text - its all integral part of becoming GMC instructor smile.gif


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Now I remember, it was henry smile.gif


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post Feb 21 2009, 12:13 AM
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Two so far: Hammerin Hank became Henry Dietzel, and Zizi Top became Jab Diab =)
They seemed to know their stuff from the beginning, though wink.gif

In a few years, I might have learned enough to become an Instructor.. Atleast that's what I keep telling myself tongue.gif


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QUOTE (Canis @ Feb 20 2009, 11:13 PM) *
Two so far: Hammerin Hank became Henry Dietzel, and Zizi Top became Jab Diab =)
They seemed to know their stuff from the beginning, though wink.gif

In a few years, I might have learned enough to become an Instructor.. Atleast that's what I keep telling myself tongue.gif


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post Feb 21 2009, 12:32 AM
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QUOTE (Rated Htr @ Feb 21 2009, 12:28 AM) *
That means GMC for life to me smile.gif

GMC spells Forever for me as well laugh.gif


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post Feb 21 2009, 07:33 AM
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QUOTE (Marek Rojewski @ Feb 20 2009, 03:29 PM) *
I think that the most important skill to become an instructor is the composing skill and theory knowledge.
As we can see from multiple uploads on the forum, there are many players that can play lessons from lets say 4-7 difficulty level. And where is it written, that all the lessons uploaded by the instructor can't be of difficulty 1-4 ?

It is just the sound of the lesson that makes it interesting and so worth having on the site ( except some unique lessons like - warming up or finger independence series ). Anyway that are just my two cents.. I think that I am not able to be an instructor here not so much because of my technique, but rather because I am unable to compose a piece of music that will sound good. Also composing means using some programs to make good backingtracks, drums, bass etc.etc.
I can learn 200 GMC lessons, but without analyzing it in many spheres, practicing my own composing skills at the same time, learning how to make backingtracks, I won't be much closer to becoming an instructor than now.



I agree 100% on the compositional skills, I think that's a very important topic for all the instructors because when you teach personally is very different because you can pass an exercise that itself it doesn't say much (although can be usefull). But here we have to be creative in a way that the exercise has to be musical, and I think that's the greatest thing of the site, that no matter how silly, simple, or robotical is the exercise it has to be musical (and I'm thinking about the mechanical part of the study of the instrument and not about the "in the style of" lessons or any lessons that are meant to be musical although they have the same level of complexity about the musicality)


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post Feb 21 2009, 10:48 AM
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Composition is part of it, but i think there is more to it then that.

For one, i was pretty surprised when Kris accepted me, i am definately not on the same level as Muris, or Emir for example skill wise, or composition wise. At least not on the guitar. I think that teaching though for the most part has to do with explanation, and encouragement. Although, i think that i am not on the technical level of most of the instructors here, i have a great deal to offer that is abstract, and the ability to explain to students in a way that they will find useful.

For me teaching is not about technical skills, its about allowing the student to analyze there own playing, and finding their own voice. This is what i was talking about with "Abstract". Anybody can compose a song, even a lousy one. But putting the things you have learned into practice on a meaningful level that is the trick.

For me this is where teaching is at. I don't want to create clones of myself, i want the student to see the real them, and express themselves as individuals.

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post Feb 21 2009, 02:08 PM
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QUOTE (Daniel Robinson @ Feb 21 2009, 10:48 AM) *
Composition is part of it, but i think there is more to it then that.

For one, i was pretty surprised when Kris accepted me, i am definately not on the same level as Muris, or Emir for example skill wise, or composition wise. At least not on the guitar. I think that teaching though for the most part has to do with explanation, and encouragement. Although, i think that i am not on the technical level of most of the instructors here, i have a great deal to offer that is abstract, and the ability to explain to students in a way that they will find useful.

For me teaching is not about technical skills, its about allowing the student to analyze there own playing, and finding their own voice. This is what i was talking about with "Abstract". Anybody can compose a song, even a lousy one. But putting the things you have learned into practice on a meaningful level that is the trick.

For me this is where teaching is at. I don't want to create clones of myself, i want the student to see the real them, and express themselves as individuals.

There is no greater joy for a teacher to send a student off into the world who exceeded all their expectations. And surpassed the teacher in all respects so they can learn nothing more from me.

Daniel



Its so bad, that you live in florida.. this was one of the most encouraging speeches I ever heard:D
What would I give for live teacher as you :-/ The one I had (I just cancelled his lessons) was still trying to transform me into jazzman.. i had to learn all those weird sounding chords with even wierder names in which I saw no practical use in my playing style.. he was really good in what he was doing, but he wasnt able to sweep or anything.. I have strange feeling, that Czech republic has no shredders:-/ Well... then Ill be the first:P:P (about your comparison to Muris etc. - i believe that teacher is not only about skills, but also about encouraging and helping the student to find himself.. in which terms you are one of the best on GMC in my opinion)

But on topic - I believe, that (almost) everyone has his little something he can teach - but what draws the line is how well you can put it and how well you can express the idea. In terms of music - your technique of playing that thing must be flawless as well..

Guys srsly, who of you (members) doesnt dream of being instructor at GMC?

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post Feb 21 2009, 03:07 PM
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Being an instructor not only needs a technical skill, but also knowing the audio and video production processes, and being able to make a lesson form that is suitable for the member understands it. Also you have to be dedicated to music and let that be your number 1 occupation in order to do the job well. If you think you have these skills, try doing some SI lessons, and then apply for instructor position as well.


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QUOTE (Daniel Robinson @ Feb 21 2009, 10:48 AM) *
Composition is part of it, but i think there is more to it then that.

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For me teaching is not about technical skills, its about allowing the student to analyze there own playing, and finding their own voice. This is what i was talking about with "Abstract". Anybody can compose a song, even a lousy one. But putting the things you have learned into practice on a meaningful level that is the trick.

For me this is where teaching is at. I don't want to create clones of myself, i want the student to see the real them, and express themselves as individuals.

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I'd largely agree with Daniel here. Teaching - once beyond imparting basic skills/knowledge/technique - involves enthusing the student and helping the student develop to the full extent of their abilities.

I supervise PhDs/D Phils/Doctoral students and I see my role more about their development rather then teaching them a set quota of facts. TBH, and IMO, the latter is easy and concrete, the former is more 'abstract' ( as Daniel rightly puts it) and amorphous, building on both what they understand, what they want to know and - importantly - developing their desire to know more. Very bluntly put - pretty much anyone can teach a series of brute facts but enthusing and being willing to look beyond what you know and understand, to look at the 'abstract', and to bring all togehter, is, imo, much more challenging of student and 'teacher'. That is not a step that many educators are willing to take.


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