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post Feb 23 2009, 06:54 AM
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QUOTE (draftzero @ Feb 23 2009, 05:16 AM) *
Well the plan was to buy one for now... mainly just for playing (no recording) and then eventually buy another one once i want to start recording... would that be alright? I mean playing with one monitor... in my head it would just operate like an amp right?


But you will need the speakers to listen to music from your computer as well since they will be your output source from the soundcard. You need L and R in order to listen music properly.


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post Feb 23 2009, 07:03 AM
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QUOTE (Emir Hot @ Feb 22 2009, 11:54 PM) *
But you will need the speakers to listen to music from your computer as well since they will be your output source from the soundcard. You need L and R in order to listen music properly.


Oh...? I thought I could just hook up the PodXT Live to the Studio Monitor (for right now just the mono output) and it would be fine, until i get the whole system.... as of right now i'm not totally concerned with stereo sound or recording (as i'm not that good on the guitar yet)... i'd be fine with mono... just as long as the podxtlive/studio monitor (single) setup would work just as well as buying a new amp... (i figure since i have the podxt... buying a new amp would be redundant)

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One thing to consider: The speaker simulation of the podxt is imho not that great. It doesn't really give you the resonances and other craziness of guitar speakers. Now you can use the pod with a power amp and a guitar cab, which sounds better than through studio monitors. But it's also less flexible, as you won't be able to use the different speaker simulations of the pod anymore. Atomic Amps offers combos that have a tube power stage and guitar speakers but let you plug in a podxt for effects and amp modeling: www.atomicamps.com/.

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post Feb 23 2009, 11:51 AM
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It could work for that purpose, of course mate. If you want to hear only mono sound from the POD and don't want to use them in recording at all, then buying one is OK I suppose.

Again I note the fact that monitors are designed in a similar fashion as Hi Fi audio gear. They have a certain threshold where they start to clip sharply. If you keep it bellow that threshold on both POD volume and monitor volume it will be OK.

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post Feb 24 2009, 05:35 PM
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QUOTE (Ivan Milenkovic @ Feb 23 2009, 04:51 AM) *
It could work for that purpose, of course mate. If you want to hear only mono sound from the POD and don't want to use them in recording at all, then buying one is OK I suppose.

Again I note the fact that monitors are designed in a similar fashion as Hi Fi audio gear. They have a certain threshold where they start to clip sharply. If you keep it bellow that threshold on both POD volume and monitor volume it will be OK.


Thanks again Ivan, ya i'm just gonna get the studio monitors... i think they might work better for me as i'm mainly (95% of the time) going to be using them at home only at low to mid range volumes...

have you heard of the KRK Rokits? After digging around lots of people have been saying they are great compared to others... (around the $200 range... for single).



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Yes, Rokit series have great price/performance ratio, I've heard only good things about them, and have seen Rokit 8 in one high end studio as part of a main monitoring system, so I think they are a good buy. I think there are 3 models 5, 6, and 8, and they are all good, but I would recommend if you can pull out 6, or possibly 8, cause of the better frequency response.

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post Feb 25 2009, 01:22 AM
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QUOTE (Ivan Milenkovic @ Feb 24 2009, 01:40 PM) *
Yes, Rokit series have great price/performance ratio, I've heard only good things about them, and have seen Rokit 8 in one high end studio as part of a main monitoring system, so I think they are a good buy. I think there are 3 models 5, 6, and 8, and they are all good, but I would recommend if you can pull out 6, or possibly 8, cause of the better frequency response.


Ya i think i'mma get the set of KRK Rokit Powered 8 G2. Thanks again Ivan you rock.
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post Feb 25 2009, 09:42 AM
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I don´t wanna start a new post, but this topic sounds pretty interesting for me, too.

I´m going to buy a Pod XT Live and I´ve got a budget of 800€ left - something like 1000 $.

At the moment I´m playing through a Marshall MG 100 DFX, that I never really liked. So I thought about putting the POD XT in front of the amp and just plug my guitar in to get a much better sound. Would it be like that? IMO the amp just cuts off high notes and high bends, I don´t know if it´s broken, but the sound is just not good for the price I payed.

So there are different ways to go:

1.) Buy a new amp and the POD
2.) Stay with the old amp and the POD
3.) Buy Studio Monitors and the POD ( as I jsut read )

I just need a really good sound for homepractice and recording @home.
I would also think about getting a new soundcard for a better quality recording.

What would you suggest? And can anyone tell me a bit more details about the MG 100 DFX than being a Stereo Combo with 100 Watt and a 1x12 speaker with 2 channels!? Maybe it´s just that I bought a really shitty amp some years ago?

Thanks!!

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post Feb 25 2009, 10:12 AM
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You can buy a lot of stuff for $1000. My soundcard is great and costs just about $70. It's EMU 0404. My monitors are Edirol MA-15D and they cost less than $200 (pair). Really good sound. Ivan did a good research for more monitor models (see previous posts). I use Amplitube 2 plugin for home playing and recording and that thing also works great. I don't need a POD. Guitar Rig 3 is also a good one. If you have a good computer with 2 or more GB of ram and a newer processor then you're good to go. Even 1GB will work ok. The amp is not going to help you much if you don't plan to play live. The setup I have is really loud enough. The only thing you might find unacceptable is that your computer needs to be on when you want to play smile.gif My one is on 24/7 so it's ok for me.


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post Feb 25 2009, 10:18 AM
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That´s pretty much the same in my case! biggrin.gif Uhm, it´s pretty funny you mention the computer, ´cause I just bought all things to build my own customized comp and it´s ready smile.gif So the 4Gb should be enough.

Did I understand you correctly? Your recording, the one I can hear in your lessons, is done with Amplitube 2 ( which is something like the POD? ) a pair of studio monitors and that soundcard?

thanks in advice:)

EDIT: Is it possible to play through the monitors and at the same time listen to music? So that I can play along?

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QUOTE (Roadside @ Feb 25 2009, 09:18 AM) *
Did I understand you correctly? Your recording, the one I can hear in your lessons, is done with Amplitube 2 ( which is something like the POD? ) a pair of studio monitors and that soundcard?


Amplitube 2 is just a software plug in that has pretty much all that POD has. Less cables in my room smile.gif Yes all my lessons are recorded using that plugin.

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Thank you very much, Emir. Sound pretty interesting and decent:) Gear is always hard to decide about though:(

EDIT: Another question! smile.gif My combo sounds better if i crank it up, as you probably know! How do the monitors work at low volumes?

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QUOTE (Roadside @ Feb 25 2009, 10:08 AM) *
Thank you very much, Emir. Sound pretty interesting and decent:) Gear is always hard to decide about though:(

EDIT: Another question! smile.gif My combo sounds better if i crank it up, as you probably know! How do the monitors work at low volumes?


The same as with the loud volume. They are not your amp, just the output device through wich you listen stuff. If you play it really loud they might distort a bit but that's just the speaker, not the actual input signal from your guitar.


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I agree with Emir, getting a reasonably good sound card, pair of monitors, and modeling software will be a lot better solution for you instead of getting the POD.

Marshall MG100 DFX is a Marshall amp that is not even being assembled in GB, so it's not the same quality as other Marshall amps. Also Marshall is known for that characteristic "buzzing" type of sound in it's tube legacy amps of the 60ties, 70ties, and 80ties, and solid state amps of today are definitely not something that can reproduce it. My best and most sincere advice that I can give you regarding the amp is to sell it and never loop back. If you do like British voicings, I advise you check out this:
http://www.zzounds.com/item--BLABH5HS
It's a EL84 tube 5 Watter, great for bedroom play.

As for recording 1000$ you really have a wide choice of options available, so I can possibly give you some recommendations:

EMU 1616m Audio Production System ~ 350e
http://www.thomann.de/de/emu_1616_pci.htm

what is great with this sound interface is that you have awesome bundle that comes with it: Cakewalk SONAR LE
Steinberg Cubase LE
Wavelab Lite
Ableton Live Lite 4 for E-MU
IK Multimedia AmpliTube LE
T-RackS EQ, Minnetonka
diskWelder BRONZE
SFX Machine LT
plus E-MU's Proteus X LE Desktop Sound Module


M-AUDIO BX5A DELUXE ~250e
http://www.thomann.de/de/maudio_bx5a_deluxe.htm

These are good monitors in the low budget category, but if you want you can stretch out a bit more and check out monitors in that previous post on the first page.


BTW, Since you have another 300e in your budget left, you can really get the premium stuff and buy a Guitar Rig 3 modeller fro 288e:

http://www.thomann.de/de/native_instrument...ftware_ed_e.htm




This kind of gear will definitely raise the level of your audio quality, cause it is in the semi-professional category. In other words, people use this stuff in semi-pro studios.

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Okay, okay, I´m a bit confused right now and overwhelmed by your help:)

I thought about the POD XT, a soundcard and the monitors... Ivan, you mentioned the Software guitar rig 3. Does it do the same job as the POD? Is it like a preamp with which I can create all the effects and sounds I like!?

About the Pod I especially liked the fact that you can use/download presets from other users. Is this possible with guitar rig 3, too? Probably it is!

The whole setup looks pretty difficult to deal with. May I get into it with a bit of work? I´ve realy no experience with recording until now.

Edit: Want to play stuff from Hardrock to Blues to Metal / Nu Metal Neo-Classical. I´m kind of into bands like Alter Bridge, Trivium, Guns n Roses and guitarists like moore, malmsteen. Just to show you what I´m looking for

and again thank you so much;)

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I see your problem mate! biggrin.gif But don't worry, although it may seem a bit confusing, once you start working with the setup it all makes sense fast, and you will get use to it.
I just gave you some possibilities for 1000$ budget, which is a pretty good budget after all, so it's reasonable that you get a lot of good gear for it.

About Guitar Rig, I can safely say that it's one of the best software modelers. You can make presets, store presets, exchange presets with other users, have tuner, loop machine built in, and lots of other cool features, some of them not available with POD. You can even send signal from 1616m to the guitar amp and use Guitar Rig 3 effects as you would use POD.



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QUOTE (Ivan Milenkovic @ Feb 25 2009, 02:06 PM) *
I see your problem mate! biggrin.gif But don't worry, although it may seem a bit confusing, once you start working with the setup it all makes sense fast, and you will get use to it.
I just gave you some possibilities for 1000$ budget, which is a pretty good budget after all, so it's reasonable that you get a lot of good gear for it.

About Guitar Rig, I can safely say that it's one of the best software modelers. You can make presets, store presets, exchange presets with other users, have tuner, loop machine built in, and lots of other cool features, some of them not available with POD. You can even send signal from 1616m to the guitar amp and use Guitar Rig 3 effects as you would use POD.


So after all, it´s hard to test these things in a musicstore all together:D What would you suggest? Get them and try them out? It´s a bit risky smile.gif




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Gah! I wish I knew about guitar rig way back before i bought my pod...

I might buy a soundcard so I can have it rigged up as you guys discussed... and contemplate on why i would even need to keep my podxt. I mean its not like i even gig or what not...

I might get this:

http://www.guitarcenter.com/KRK-KRK-Monito...367-i1400870.gc

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the EMU 0404 that Emir suggested.

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QUOTE (Roadside @ Feb 25 2009, 02:58 PM) *
So after all, it´s hard to test these things in a musicstore all together:D What would you suggest? Get them and try them out? It´s a bit risky smile.gif


You can very often get a trial version of the major pieces of software. NI's GR3 is here (click the 'demo' link in the LHS menu bar and then fill in your details) smile.gif .


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Hm, I just went to my local musicstore and discussed the topic with a friend of mine there.

He told me that I would not get a real better sound by POD XT or Guitar Rig and Monitors nor with my MG and POD XT. He suggested to spend a bit more money and showed me the Marshall JVM 215c Combo. It just blew me away! What a nice sound!! Though the price is pretty high with 1300-1400€. He told me that it might be stupid to buy a POD XT to improve my sound for like 5%-10% instead of keeping the money and get "the real sound". I may regret the 400€ for the POD XT in 2 years, if I would get a good tube amp in the future anyway.

What do you think about the JVM?

I´m CONFUSED=(
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