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post Feb 21 2009, 10:14 PM
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I was wondering what would be pro speed? I was thinkin around like 180bpm 16th note triplets or something along those lines....


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post Feb 21 2009, 10:43 PM
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post Feb 21 2009, 10:46 PM
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Hmm, I don't really get it. I think 100 bpm sextuplets is already quite impressive for a not experienced listener, and 120-130 is very-very fast. At such speed you'll only play scales up and down with some string skipping and sweeping to spice it up a little. A pro guitarist doesn't even have to shred. if you're referring to pro shredder, 180 is just silly. i don't really get the idea of that speed on guitar, sorry wink.gif


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post Feb 21 2009, 10:50 PM
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I agree with Berko on this. In my mind if you can play 16th's at 160 cleanly and 16th triplets cleanly at 120-130 then that is really all the speed you need. After that the only people impressed by it are fellow guitar junkies. laugh.gif
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post Feb 21 2009, 11:24 PM
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Meh.. 16 note triplets in (very clean and more complicated) sweeps on 120 sounds just enough quick to make jaws fallsmile.gif

Take some 5 string 6 note arpeggio (add a 5th octave lower from the root note - check Nevermore's "Psalm of Lydia" - these intro sweeps are the ones I am talking about..) just drill it 'till the midnight (this really helps:)) and at 110 most nonguitarists and beginnging/semi intermediate guitarists will get WTH? at 120 you are IMO ready to hit the stage with this technique:)

On the other hand tone>speed. if you play sloopily and out of time, speed wont save you... Even if I can play 16th triplets on 120, I find that slower played and longer/groovier sweeps actually sound more melodic - and thats what like 90% of people (non shredders...) care about. They dont understand word triplet, harmonic or even a scale - but they can recognize good melody and good idea:)

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post Feb 21 2009, 11:27 PM
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QUOTE (lcsdds @ Feb 21 2009, 03:50 PM) *
I agree with Berko on this. In my mind if you can play 16th's at 160 cleanly and 16th triplets cleanly at 120-130 then that is really all the speed you need. After that the only people impressed by it are fellow guitar junkies. laugh.gif

Oh yes, I agree also, BUT playing super fast is fun biggrin.gif. I would only play at the speed most likely just to have a little fun, and I also like to push my limits farther than possible.


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post Feb 21 2009, 11:31 PM
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QUOTE (Ryan @ Feb 21 2009, 11:27 PM) *
Oh yes, I agree also, BUT playing super fast is fun biggrin.gif. I would only play at the speed most likely just to have a little fun, and I also like to push my limits farther than possible.


Well OK then - I love to shred too biggrin.gif cool.gif It surely is... FUN - for us, guitar freaks hehe. But I always pay attention to my solos so that I'm not overplaying any of the techniques. On the original topic: i think if you can shred at 150-160 very confidently and clean, then that's already super good


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post Feb 21 2009, 11:39 PM
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QUOTE (berko @ Feb 21 2009, 04:31 PM) *
Well OK then - I love to shred too biggrin.gif cool.gif It surely is... FUN - for us, guitar freaks hehe. But I always pay attention to my solos so that I'm not overplaying any of the techniques. On the original topic: i think if you can shred at 150-160 very confidently and clean, then that's already super good

I really dont focus much on over-using techniques in soloing, but just more on tone.

Edit: Also on the flow of the solo.

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post Feb 22 2009, 12:57 AM
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I'm gonna repeat myself but what a heck. biggrin.gif

Anyhow, some slower licks are much harder to play
than some faster licks, it's a note choice, skipping, fingering etc
that makes things more complex.
So my point is, "speed" is pretty much irrelevant since it
depends a lot on the lick itself.


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post Feb 22 2009, 01:32 AM
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Slower riffs can sound so much more professional then a fast one, imo. So speed is irrelevant and varies fro person to person wink.gif


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post Feb 22 2009, 02:16 AM
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It definitely depends on what you are playing. Try to play chord strumming at those speeds and you will see what I mean...


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post Feb 22 2009, 02:53 AM
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QUOTE (Ryan @ Feb 21 2009, 10:14 PM) *
I was wondering what would be pro speed? I was thinkin around like 180bpm 16th note triplets or something along those lines....



If you are going for insane playing where you feel itching in your fingers and listener going stop that noodling, answer anything above what you mentioned smile.gif


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post Feb 22 2009, 03:22 AM
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I think the speed doesn't mean anything without something to say.
If you listen to some shredders like Francesco Fareri they only play notes like a guitar gym, but if you listen to Charlie Parker for example, he's faster than hell and his phrasing is abnormally good. And I want to remark that is harder to play the Charlie Parker's lines because he doesn't play linear scales because his making some great phrasing so you have to jump from intervals somethimes and that's even harder than play an Em scale up and down at quarter=260.
Also I agree that playing fast is just fun tongue.gif


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post Feb 22 2009, 03:40 AM
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Speed doesn't make you a pro, but It is something many guitarists go after, including myself, like said before, at 110 bpm 16th triplets, played accurately with good note choices can be jaw dropping shred.

The PRO shredders that I like, (Al DiMeola, Paul Gilbert) don't go over 132 16th triplets, 132 bpm seems like the magic number, there are guys on you tube that probably can play 16th triplets at 180 bpm, but this does not make them a Paul Gilbert in my opinion.


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post Feb 22 2009, 03:43 AM
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QUOTE (Jose Mena @ Feb 22 2009, 03:40 AM) *
Speed doesn't make you a pro, but It is something many guitarists go after, including myself, like said before, at 110 bpm 16th triplets, played accurately with good note choices can be jaw dropping shred.

The PRO shredders that I like, (Al DiMeola, Paul Gilbert) don't go over 132 16th triplets, 132 bpm seems like the magic number, there are guys on you tube that probably can play 16th triplets at 180 bpm, but this does not make them a Paul Gilbert in my opinion.

So true Jose!!. Speed for speeds sake is not worth listening to IMO.
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