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post Feb 22 2009, 04:41 PM
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Hey all!

Just thought I would draw on the vast wealth of experience on this site to get some tips on starting out on gigs, i have only ever really played at home etc but its looking like there may be some live playing in the near future, I dont want to splash out on gear that i will have to upgrade/replace in the near future and if i go to shops i think they will sense my lack of experience in this area and maye I'll end up with stuff I dont need/want!

My plan is as follows:

1. One man cover spots with me singing and playing acoustic and electric over pre-recorded backing tracks (Bass and drums) in small bars/venues.

2. Possibly upgrade to 2 guitars, 2 singers over backing tracks.

3. Would like option to add to the existing kit if chance ever came along for full 3-4 piece band, although this would be in the future.

I have enough guitars etc but i dont think my amp is upto the job (i have a 15w vox and a marshall but the marshall is not well atm!) and i could do with suggestions on PA, mics, power amps as i dont have a clue in this area, but the key is to start with stuff i can build up in the future so I can build my kit up gradually and not have to sell up all the time.

The type of music i would look at playing would be popular guitar rock/blues bias along the lines of Gary Moore, Clapton, Floyd etc, my existing gear is in the sig below if that helps anyone to comment.

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post Feb 22 2009, 10:02 PM
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I would recommend getting a powered mixer , something along these lines :

Mackie PPM1012 12-Channel 1600W Powered Mixer

http://pro-audio.musiciansfriend.com/produ...ixer?sku=482832



Then you should get PA speakers (unpowered ones):

That part really depends on clubs size you are going to play...For example pair of these should take care of any situation:

http://pro-audio.musiciansfriend.com/produ...Pair?sku=600348



Since its a club gig with backings I would recommend using POD Live you have and going straight from it to the mixer...Not using amp at all...Eventually you can get another high quality multiprocessor unit for that purpose ...

For mics , its Shure SM58 for vocals.

http://pro-audio.musiciansfriend.com/produ...-Mic?sku=270101



These are some recommendation that should enable you to do club gigs with backings...But of course budget is the only limiting factor which defines paticular components options...

For example you can buy a cheap powered mixer from Behringer....etc etc..

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post Feb 22 2009, 11:30 PM
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Bogdan said it nicely, you need only PA system for now. I think you don't even need a guitar amp for now, so you should focus on getting a good PA system and use your processors straight into the mixer.

You need:

1. Powered Mixer (with FX processor, and with 6 mic preamps for starters. Later on if you decide you wanna expand the band you can buy another mixer)
http://www.behringer.com/EN/Products/PMP1000.aspx
2. PA Speakers ( something relatively light and with 15" speakers will do the job nicely) http://www.behringer.com/EN/Products/B215.aspx
3. Mics & Stands (shure SM58 and SM57 are standard for gigs)
4. Cables (don't underestimate the price/quality of cables! Buy only HQ Klotz cables for gigs, and always carry some spares)



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post Feb 23 2009, 01:47 PM
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Thanks guys, this is really helpful!

I didnt realise that i could run my guitar straight into the mixer and use that as the amp so thats a big reduction in stuff i need to think about.

I am assuming that it would be advisable to run a small monitor speaker as well??

EDIT: Would either of these mixers have a capability for input from an MP3 device for the backing tracks?? sorry to be a pain, i really just dont know about these things unsure.gif

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post Feb 23 2009, 02:01 PM
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You could also base your rig on a laptop with power speakers.
I've done that a few times in coffee shops and it works great!
You could even use an amp modeler like Guitar Rig that way..


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post Feb 23 2009, 02:02 PM
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I'd also suggest a feedback eliminator like this.

Personally I'd also consider a cable loom rather then lots of loose cables - neater and quicker set up and take down. There are lots of different types you can get this is just an example.

For the mixer - carefully consider how many channels and outs you need. From my experience people tend to under-estimate.

One thing to keep in mind Sted is that some venues have their own in house PA and mixer.

I'd also consider going along to a pro PA company and talking to the guys there - they're usually very helpful and friendly. Only time it's annoying is whilst setting up/taking down and then people start talking at you/getting in the way.


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post Feb 23 2009, 04:15 PM
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QUOTE (sted @ Feb 23 2009, 01:47 PM) *
Thanks guys, this is really helpful!

I didnt realise that i could run my guitar straight into the mixer and use that as the amp so thats a big reduction in stuff i need to think about.

I am assuming that it would be advisable to run a small monitor speaker as well??

EDIT: Would either of these mixers have a capability for input from an MP3 device for the backing tracks?? sorry to be a pain, i really just dont know about these things unsure.gif


Yeah, every mixer has tape in/aux in and similar inputs so you can input an mp3 device or CD player and mix it in with the rest of the sound sources....


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post Feb 23 2009, 10:01 PM
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Some monitoring speakers would be good as well, just make sure the power amp has enough outs for all the speakers you need.


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post Feb 23 2009, 10:42 PM
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Thanks for all your help guys, much appreciated! biggrin.gif
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post Feb 24 2009, 01:15 AM
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No prob mate, anytime! smile.gif


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post Feb 25 2009, 12:11 AM
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QUOTE (sted @ Feb 23 2009, 10:42 PM) *
Thanks for all your help guys, much appreciated! biggrin.gif


Glad to be helpful..If you decide on your budget and have more details about how much power you need we can revisit this one and choose some appropriate gear smile.gif


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post Feb 25 2009, 12:27 AM
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QUOTE (VictorUK @ Feb 22 2009, 11:10 AM) *
For live all i can say is anything but POD stuff, since they dont cut it in a live situation.


Just thought I'd throw my two cents in here, the POD can do some incredible tones if you spend enough time with it. I personally have never liked any Line 6 product I've played through, nor most of the clips I've heard of them.

But, all I can say is to look up some videos of a guy named Lincoln Brewster. The only thing he uses for his tone is a POD, straight out to the PA, and his tone blew me away. He says no one ever believes him when he tells them that he gets those tones without a tube amp, but there you go! He mostly does praise and worship music, but if you can find a clip of him just jamming or maybe even one of his solos, you'll see what I mean.

So, in conclusion, a POD is definitely capable of "cutting it" in a live situation tongue.gif , it just takes some time and effort, and it might not be right for everyone in the first place.

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