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post Feb 23 2009, 05:36 PM
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Hi litlle question

as almost everybody know i'm have new Jackson sl2 and i'm also have Esp ltd Vip 50
i'm cannot play right now with my right but when i'm train my left on booth guitar{on Trond last part of slow soloing lesson} i'm find out the Jackson when i'm sliding my fingers to the other note losing the sound more fast like my cheap ltd 50..the sound also sound when dying like rottary..the rottary problem is also on Esp but not to big

it's the Cheap ltd 50 has better sustain???? ohmy.gif ????

or what can be the issue???

pickups???
string action setings???
computer inteference {with the rottary sound}??or bad cable??
enything else???--{like my bad technique or just something else}

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Rene


btw- i'm also find out the sustain is on diferent position diferent

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post Feb 23 2009, 08:53 PM
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hi Rene,

Im no expert but It may be that your guitar needs setting up correctly by a guitar tech. Also I find that even with my PGM which is a high end guitar built for good sustain and tuneing stability if I have the wrong amp settings notes wont sustain as well. I have always used a compressor with my guitars to control sustain levels, which you could try smile.gif

Your new guitar has good quality pickups and a good build quality so its probably only something simple smile.gif


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QUOTE (mattacuk @ Feb 23 2009, 08:59 PM) *
hi Rene,

Im no expert but It may be that your guitar needs setting up correctly by a guitar tech. Also I find that even with my PGM which is a high end guitar built for good sustain and tuneing stability if I have the wrong amp settings notes wont sustain as well. I have always used a compressor with my guitars to control sustain levels, which you could try smile.gif

Your new guitar has good quality pickups and a good build quality so its probably only something simple smile.gif

Yes, a proper setup is the first thing to do to get the most out of your guitar.


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Yes, and the second step would be to look at your gear settings smile.gif


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actualy the guy who seling me the guitar..made the setup before i'm buy it{i'm see that}!!!
so u guys thing the jackson with the pickup shoot be have better sustain like my stock pickups on esp ltd vip 50???

i'm also find out for example the sustain on low E for example on 1 or 3 freet is better like sustain on Hi-E on 12 fret on booth guitar
whats abouth the rottary sound when i'm trying sustain..the sound before went out go like up and down....also on booth guitar
it's normal or i'm have probbaly bad conection cable??


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Hi Rene

In my opinion it's most probably the pickups. There are two ways pickups can make those kind of problems. When the magnet bar from the pickup is too strong it affects the strings, forcing them to stop vibrating, shortening the sustain, and also causing the 'rottary sound'.

The other way is when the pickups, especially the neck pickup (because the string's amplitude is highest in the area towards the middle of the string) are too close to the strings. My experience has shown that pickups with an AlNiCo magnet bar affect the string more then the ones with a ceramic bar.

If your problem is caused by one or both of these I've explained, then there are two possible solutions: either drop the pickups (especially the neck pickup) lower, away from the strings, or try to replace them with some other pickups.

I hope this is helpful.

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QUOTE (besip @ Feb 23 2009, 08:17 PM) *
i'm also find out for example the sustain on low E for example on 1 or 3 freet is better like sustain on Hi-E on 12 fret on booth guitar


This is very common (its not just your guitar), on many guitars you will find the notes just cut out if you bend the high E string after the 12 fret. As im not a guitar tech I dont know why this is, but I think it still might need setting up by a tech.

And I can also say from experience a good compressor would give you bags of sustain regardless of which fret you use and may give you the results your looking for.

With regards to the "rotary" sound, im sorry I dont know what the means smile.gif


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I'm not sure what rotary means Besip, but can you upload a sample so we can hear it mate?


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QUOTE (Ivan Milenkovic @ Feb 23 2009, 04:25 PM) *
I'm not sure what rotary means Besip, but can you upload a sample so we can hear it mate?



the sound go like up and down..like on rottary efect before Die..like i'm pick the note and the waiting when the sound go away
but before he go away he's like jumping up and down with volume

i'm will made some sample later

QUOTE (Aleksander Sukovic @ Feb 23 2009, 04:21 PM) *
Hi Rene

In my opinion it's most probably the pickups. There are two ways pickups can make those kind of problems. When the magnet bar from the pickup is too strong it affects the strings, forcing them to stop vibrating, shortening the sustain, and also causing the 'rottary sound'.

The other way is when the pickups, especially the neck pickup (because the string's amplitude is highest in the area towards the middle of the string) are too close to the strings. My experience has shown that pickups with an AlNiCo magnet bar affect the string more then the ones with a ceramic bar.

If your problem is caused by one or both of these I've explained, then there are two possible solutions: either drop the pickups (especially the neck pickup) lower, away from the strings, or try to replace them with some other pickups.

I hope this is helpful.

Cheers! smile.gif



thanks Aleks
looks like thats cen be thousand things rolleyes.gif from pickups..to right setings..to amp setings
what's really suprise me the cheap Ltd viper 50 staying with sustain specialy when i'm made slide longer like my new jackson
i'm belive the SD on jackson shoot be better like the stock pick on Viper 50..and the sustain on Jackson with neck true shoot be better then ..????

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QUOTE (besip @ Feb 23 2009, 10:32 PM) *
the sound go like up and down..like on rottary efect before Die..like i'm pick the note and the waiting when the sound go away
but before he go away he's like jumping up and down with volume

i'm will made some sample later




thanks Aleks
looks like thats cen be thousand things rolleyes.gif from pickups..to right setings..to amp setings
what's really suprise me the cheap Ltd viper 50 staying with sustain specialy when i'm made slide longer like my new jackson
i'm belive the SD on jackson shoot be better like the stock pick on Viper 50..and the sustain on Jackson with neck true shoot be better then ..????


The sustain depends on many things: string action, pickups, pickup set-up, from what kind of wood the guitar is made of, string gauge, the frets (the bigger the frets, the higher the sustain), neck through/bolt-on, basically everything.

The first thing you should do is to try lowering the pickups. If that has little or no effect, try to make a higher string action.

Let me know if you have any progress.


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post Mar 7 2009, 01:17 AM
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ok


i'm still injured but i'm start playig slowly na trying to practise some licks and techniques with no speed and like everybody always says play first slow cool.gif besouse i'm solved 1 of my problem{interference}.I was find out the interference coming from my bad muting{specialy on High strings when i providet bend vibrato or slow playig} then usualy 1 of lower string wasn't mute well and thats why i'm have the interference on booth Guitar

how simple the proble can be biggrin.gif i'm shame

ok now i'm just gonna look for the sustain Issue..will se what i'm gonna find smile.gif

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