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post Mar 9 2009, 07:58 PM
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QUOTE (lcsdds @ Mar 9 2009, 06:25 PM) *
Monthly solo:
Pick a backing track you would like to solo over. I want you to put the scales and triads you have learned to use. You could use either the phrygian or lydian backing by Muris or you could create your own. Let me know what you want to do here.

Don't I have to use the BT created by Jeff?


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post Mar 9 2009, 08:01 PM
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Nope.


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post Mar 9 2009, 08:53 PM
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QUOTE (kaznie_NL @ Mar 9 2009, 07:58 PM) *
Don't I have to use the BT created by Jeff?

You mean Jer? Nope....originally we were going to but we decided to let everyone decide for themselves. I just want you to solo over something. Backing track is up to you. Keep up KAZ!!! tongue.gif laugh.gif
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post Mar 10 2009, 03:27 PM
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QUOTE (lcsdds @ Mar 9 2009, 08:53 PM) *
You mean Jer? Nope....originally we were going to but we decided to let everyone decide for themselves. I just want you to solo over something. Backing track is up to you. Keep up KAZ!!! tongue.gif laugh.gif

Ok, I'l find something with A Ionian as major scale tongue.gif That would make things a bit easier for me wink.gif



There's still something i don't get... example:
play over backingtrack in D maj. Then I think, let's give it a lydian sound, try D lydian! but then, when I search D lydian in my diatonic key chart, D lydian is compared to A Ionian... Does that mean I can play A Ionian over a Dmaj track??? I don't think so wink.gif


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post Mar 10 2009, 04:42 PM
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QUOTE (kaznie_NL @ Mar 10 2009, 03:27 PM) *
Ok, I'l find something with A Ionian as major scale tongue.gif That would make things a bit easier for me wink.gif



There's still something i don't get... example:
play over backingtrack in D maj. Then I think, let's give it a lydian sound, try D lydian! but then, when I search D lydian in my diatonic key chart, D lydian is compared to A Ionian... Does that mean I can play A Ionian over a Dmaj track??? I don't think so wink.gif

You should compare D Lydian to D Ionian to find the difference between the two. D lydian is the same as A Ionian though. You have to compare modes with the same tonal center....In this case D.......to find the difference between the two. smile.gif
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post Mar 10 2009, 06:20 PM
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Sorry, I still hvae the same question. When I play in the key of Dmaj, should i use D Ionian and then check which other modes share the same notes, or should I use the mode with D, so D lydian, or D Dorian (they should be major, I get that tongue.gif ). If I'd use the D lydian on a Dmaj BT (D,D,E,E e.g.) then the comparitive major scale is A maj.. but Amaj on Dmaj key.. that sounds kinda weird to me.


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post Mar 10 2009, 07:02 PM
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QUOTE (kaznie_NL @ Mar 10 2009, 06:20 PM) *
Sorry, I still hvae the same question. When I play in the key of Dmaj, should i use D Ionian and then check which other modes share the same notes, or should I use the mode with D, so D lydian, or D Dorian (they should be major, I get that tongue.gif ). If I'd use the D lydian on a Dmaj BT (D,D,E,E e.g.) then the comparitive major scale is A maj.. but Amaj on Dmaj key.. that sounds kinda weird to me.

Kaz...When you are trying to figure out what makes lydian...a major mode.....sound like lydian, you have to compare it to the Ionian scale. But....You have to make sure the roots are the same. You would compare D lydian to D major. You could play D Ionian over the Dmajor chord in this progression but if you play the D major/Ionian scale over the E Major chord it will sound weird because The D Ionian scale doesn't contain E Major...It contains E min...Only D lydian contains E major. The D Ionian and D mixolydian mode both contain E minor. Does that help?

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post Mar 10 2009, 07:48 PM
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QUOTE (lcsdds @ Mar 10 2009, 07:02 PM) *
Kaz...When you are trying to figure out what makes lydian...a major mode.....sound like lydian, you have to compare it to the Ionian scale. But....You have to make sure the roots are the same. You would compare D lydian to D major. You could play D Ionian over the Dmajor chord in this progression but if you play the D major/Ionian scale over the E Major chord it will sound weird because The D Ionian scale doesn't contain E Major...It contains E min...Only D lydian contains E major. The D Ionian and D mixolydian mode both contain E minor. Does that help?

Not sure...

Something I don't get is that D lydian and D ionian aren't just a bit different, they're a lot different. I thought that over a Dmaj backing you can use al major modes with D as root.

So.. I have a Cmaj BT, for instance in Pedjas collab.
I can use C Ionian mode. What modes can I use??? Ionian mode only? If I check the chords, they only fit in the C Ionian mode. but then, ist it possible to use another mode on only one chord? for instance over the Amin7 chord?


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post Mar 10 2009, 08:03 PM
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QUOTE (kaznie_NL @ Mar 10 2009, 07:48 PM) *
Not sure...

Something I don't get is that D lydian and D ionian aren't just a bit different, they're a lot different. I thought that over a Dmaj backing you can use al major modes with D as root.

So.. I have a Cmaj BT, for instance in Pedjas collab.
I can use C Ionian mode. What modes can I use??? Ionian mode only? If I check the chords, they only fit in the C Ionian mode. but then, ist it possible to use another mode on only one chord? for instance over the Amin7 chord?

There is only one note difference between D Lydian and D Ionian....G#....That one note affects 3 chords though. So they are quite different that way.

You could do what you what you were talking about with Pedja's backing track. This is what jazz/fusion guys do....analyze what to play on a chord by chord basis instead of looking at the whole progression and trying to choose one scale that works for the whole thing.

Remeber though....Pedja's collab is only about chord tones. You can only play notes that are found in the chord you are playing over in the collab. smile.gif
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post Mar 14 2009, 12:26 PM
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Hey Monte,

I joined David's Phrase lika King collab and... here's the result with diatonic boxes... I LOVE IT wink.gif

https://www.guitarmasterclass.net/guitar_fo...st&id=14364


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post Mar 14 2009, 02:13 PM
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QUOTE (kaznie_NL @ Mar 14 2009, 12:26 PM) *
Hey Monte,

I joined David's Phrase lika King collab and... here's the result with diatonic boxes... I LOVE IT wink.gif

https://www.guitarmasterclass.net/guitar_fo...st&id=14364

VERY NICE KAZ!!! Is this the first time you have used your diatonic scales in a collab?.....Good work dude smile.gif ....you just added another tool to your toolbox....Now get to work on your triads so you can start throwing in some sweeps!!!!! laugh.gif tongue.gif
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post Mar 14 2009, 11:12 PM
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QUOTE (lcsdds @ Mar 14 2009, 02:13 PM) *
VERY NICE KAZ!!! Is this the first time you have used your diatonic scales in a collab?.....Good work dude smile.gif ....you just added another tool to your toolbox....Now get to work on your triads so you can start throwing in some sweeps!!!!! laugh.gif tongue.gif

Indeed wink.gif I did use some triads in here, it gave a cool sound... Maybe I'll try sweeping in Pedja's collab biggrin.gif


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post Mar 22 2009, 10:22 AM
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hey Monte, I'm busy with Always with you, always with me again (Satch) and also the Lukather style lesson. If I can get the second fast block down, I'm ready to record!


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post Mar 22 2009, 11:22 AM
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QUOTE (kaznie_NL @ Mar 22 2009, 10:22 AM) *
hey Monte, I'm busy with Always with you, always with me again (Satch) and also the Lukather style lesson. If I can get the second fast block down, I'm ready to record!

Cool Kaz....Let me know if you need help with either one. Don't forget your friend the Kaz-Box....Should be helpful with both of these. smile.gif
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post Mar 23 2009, 04:00 PM
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QUOTE (lcsdds @ Mar 22 2009, 11:22 AM) *
Cool Kaz....Let me know if you need help with either one. Don't forget your friend the Kaz-Box....Should be helpful with both of these. smile.gif

True tongue.gif Although I'm not sure whether I can get those Satch-Legato down wink.gif It's very fast, but I did think it was doable, for the little part I did....


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post Mar 24 2009, 12:54 AM
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QUOTE (kaznie_NL @ Mar 23 2009, 04:00 PM) *
True tongue.gif Although I'm not sure whether I can get those Satch-Legato down wink.gif It's very fast, but I did think it was doable, for the little part I did....

You can do the fast legato part Kaz!!! Just whip out the Kaz box and get to work. There are basically 2 fast runs in that song. Everything else is just a matter of learning the phrasing. Let me know what you want to do next. smile.gif
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Hmmm... I think the Satch thing will be kept as background piece.First I'd like to get the lukather down completely and then... I'm not sure :tongue.gif
Either: https://www.guitarmasterclass.net/rhythm-gu...te-rock-lesson/
or https://www.guitarmasterclass.net/ls/rockin_time_tune/ (cool tongue.gif)
I'm also doing the 80s Glam Rock lesson by David

And well... I actualy like most solo's which are a bit melodic tongue.gif I think one of the best lessons online is the https://www.guitarmasterclass.net/solo-guit...r-style-lesson/ lesson..... But as I'm not good in fingerpicking and not good in lvl 7 lessons I think this'll have to whait.

https://www.guitarmasterclass.net/solo-guit...e-melodic-solo/ this one to wink.gif

EDIT: I'm also gonna do https://www.guitarmasterclass.net/rhythm-gu...lop-technique2/

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post Mar 30 2009, 04:27 PM
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QUOTE (kaznie_NL @ Mar 24 2009, 03:59 PM) *
Hmmm... I think the Satch thing will be kept as background piece.First I'd like to get the lukather down completely and then... I'm not sure :tongue.gif
Either: https://www.guitarmasterclass.net/rhythm-gu...te-rock-lesson/
or https://www.guitarmasterclass.net/ls/rockin_time_tune/ (cool tongue.gif)
I'm also doing the 80s Glam Rock lesson by David

And well... I actualy like most solo's which are a bit melodic tongue.gif I think one of the best lessons online is the https://www.guitarmasterclass.net/solo-guit...r-style-lesson/ lesson..... But as I'm not good in fingerpicking and not good in lvl 7 lessons I think this'll have to whait.

https://www.guitarmasterclass.net/solo-guit...e-melodic-solo/ this one to wink.gif

EDIT: I'm also gonna do https://www.guitarmasterclass.net/rhythm-gu...lop-technique2/


Tear into them Kaz....If you need any help you know how to get me. smile.gif
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post Apr 5 2009, 01:00 AM
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Hi Kaz...How is everything going? Need any help or do you have everything under control? smile.gif \m/\m/
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ehm, I'm still busy with the Lukather one and the Rise against one. ATM I'm not realy playing more then half an hour per ady because It's great weather and i have some games tongue.gif


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