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post Mar 1 2009, 06:54 PM
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QUOTE (opeth.db @ Mar 1 2009, 06:27 PM) *
E Major Triad would be wrong.

F#min Gmin C#dim

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Using the chart it would look like this.

ii=Emin
iii=F#min
IV=Gmaj
V=Amaj
vi=Bmin
vii dim=C#dim
I=Dmaj

Remember E Dorian is Built off of the ii of D Ionian. Since it is a minor mode though, we compare it to
E aeolian=G ionian/major to find the strong notes. Does this help?
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post Mar 1 2009, 07:06 PM
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Ok. I think I see what I was doing wrong.

I was starting with E Dorian and counting that as number I rather than it being ii. I thought the number mode shifted since we are starting on a different root note.

Apparently the numbers dont change. I think I need to do another example.




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post Mar 1 2009, 07:15 PM
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QUOTE (opeth.db @ Mar 1 2009, 07:06 PM) *
Ok. I think I see what I was doing wrong.

I was starting with E Dorian and counting that as number I rather than it being ii. I thought the number mode shifted since we are starting on a different root note.

Apparently the numbers dont change. I think I need to do another example.

Actually there are two ways of thinking about it Dan. The way you were doing it is called Paralell thinking. We will get there but for now do it in Relative thinking.

USE THE CHART. laugh.gif laugh.gif

Do the same scenario now except now the tune is in F phrygian and I want the moshers not to get confused and think it is F aeolian. wink.gif

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post Mar 1 2009, 09:23 PM
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I was starting with E Dorian and counting that as number I rather than it being ii. I thought the number mode shifted since we are starting on a different root note.

Apparently the numbers dont change.


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post Mar 1 2009, 10:13 PM
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F Phrygian would be minor

The different note is the Gb

And our chords would be
iii-Fmin
IV-Gbmaj
V-Abmaj
vi-Bbmin
vii-Cdim
I-Dbmaj
ii-Ebmin


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post Mar 1 2009, 10:34 PM
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QUOTE (opeth.db @ Mar 1 2009, 10:13 PM) *
F Phrygian would be minor

The different note is the Gb

And our chords would be
iii-Fmin
IV-Gbmaj
V-Abmaj
vi-Bbmin
vii-Cdim
I-Dbmaj
ii-Ebmin


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\m/\m/ Yeah Baby!!. Now, just highlight the chords for me that contain Gb so I know to try and sneak those in my progression and you are good to go!! Good job Dan. biggrin.gif wink.gif

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post Mar 1 2009, 10:35 PM
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QUOTE (opeth.db @ Mar 1 2009, 10:13 PM) *
F Phrygian would be minor

The different note is the Gb

And our chords would be
iii-Fmin
IV-Gbmaj
V-Abmaj
vi-Bbmin
vii-Cdim
I-Dbmaj
ii-Ebmin


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all that writing to me looks like something out of the movie stargate.


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post Mar 1 2009, 10:51 PM
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Well if its minor wouldn't it be the ii, iii, vi?

So...

Ebmin - Fmin - Bbmin

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post Mar 1 2009, 11:07 PM
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QUOTE (opeth.db @ Mar 1 2009, 10:51 PM) *
Well if its minor wouldn't it be the ii, iii, vi?

So...

Ebmin - Fmin - Bbmin

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You gotta spell out the individual triads like you did earlier to see where the Gb appears as the root, 3rd and 5th. In this case it would be

Gbmaj=Gb-Bb-Db Gb as the root

Ebmin=Eb-Gb-Bb Gb as the 3rd

Cdim=C-Eb-Gb Gb as the 5th

Get it!! biggrin.gif

QUOTE (Outlaw2112 @ Mar 1 2009, 10:35 PM) *
all that writing to me looks like something out of the movie stargate.

Stargate rules!!! The tv show was the BEST!!


Dan check out this thread:

https://www.guitarmasterclass.net/guitar_fo...mp;#entry347187


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post Mar 1 2009, 11:15 PM
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QUOTE (lcsdds @ Mar 1 2009, 05:07 PM) *
You gotta spell out the individual triads like you did earlier to see where the Gb appears as the root, 3rd and 5th. In this case it would be

Gbmaj=Gb-Bb-Db Gb as the root

Ebmin=Eb-Gb-Bb Gb as the 3rd

Cdim=C-Eb-Gb Gb as the 5th

Get it!! biggrin.gif


Got it. I forgot about that part. I will try it again with something else.


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post Mar 1 2009, 11:25 PM
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QUOTE (opeth.db @ Mar 1 2009, 11:15 PM) *
Got it. I forgot about that part. I will try it again with something else.

How about G Lydian. wink.gif smile.gif
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post Mar 2 2009, 01:34 AM
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G Lydian = Major

Mode =
G A B C# D E F#

Scale = G Major/Ionian
G A B C D E F#

C# is the different note.

Triads are
C# E G
A C# E
F# A C#

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post Mar 2 2009, 01:53 AM
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QUOTE (opeth.db @ Mar 2 2009, 01:34 AM) *
G Lydian = Major

Mode =
G A B C# D E F#

Scale = G Major/Ionian
G A B C D E F#

C# is the different note.

Triads are
C# E G
A C# E
F# A C#

I think I got it now?


Good Job Dan. Now just make sure when you write out the triads you know whether they are major, minor or diminished triads. You thought process is flowing now. Good Job dude!! smile.gif

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post Mar 2 2009, 02:17 AM
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Would it be like this?

C#dim = C# E G
Amaj= A C# E
F#min= F# A C#


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post Mar 2 2009, 03:31 AM
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QUOTE (opeth.db @ Mar 2 2009, 02:17 AM) *
Would it be like this?

C#dim = C# E G
Amaj= A C# E
F#min= F# A C#

\m/\m/ Good job!!
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post Mar 2 2009, 01:19 PM
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Dan = Theory Prodigy





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QUOTE (jer @ Mar 2 2009, 07:19 AM) *
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post Mar 2 2009, 06:05 PM
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QUOTE (opeth.db @ Mar 2 2009, 03:53 PM) *

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post Mar 3 2009, 06:34 AM
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Dan,
Check out this thread. I gave you a little assignment. Thanks dude. smile.gif

https://www.guitarmasterclass.net/guitar_fo...mp;#entry347964
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post Mar 3 2009, 06:37 PM
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Dan...do me a favor....Stop by Marek's thread and get him up to speed on the theory stuff we have been going over. Just work in his thread until he is on the same page as us. He is pretty busy so don't get frustrated if it is slow going. Patience my man. smile.gif Thanks for the help!! smile.gif

I think you, Jer and Kazmandu are good to go so far with the theory. smile.gif smile.gif
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