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post Mar 3 2009, 06:58 PM
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Um ok. huh.gif I'll try or should I just wait for Jer to do it all for me? tongue.gif


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Dan...do me a favor....Stop by Marek's thread and get him up to speed on the theory stuff we have been going over. Just work in his thread until he is on the same page as us. He is pretty busy so don't get frustrated if it is slow going. Patience my man. smile.gif Thanks for the help!! smile.gif

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post Mar 3 2009, 07:00 PM
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QUOTE (opeth.db @ Mar 3 2009, 06:58 PM) *
Um ok. huh.gif I'll try or should I just wait for Jer to do it all for me? tongue.gif

Screw Wal-Mart.....We're gonna need a Costco size box of Milkbones for that dude!! laugh.gif laugh.gif


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post Mar 3 2009, 07:05 PM
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Um ok. I'll try or should I just wait for Jer to do it all for me?


Keep talking jerky.

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post Mar 3 2009, 10:44 PM
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lol. JErky!


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post Mar 4 2009, 06:42 PM
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What up Dan!

So here is kind of like your final exam on all the stuff we have been working on. Let's look at our "D Lydian" chord progression for our collab this month:

D-D-E-E

So take each chord and tell me the following:

Diatonic scale options for soloing.


Pentatonic scale options for soloing.


Triad options for soloing.

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post Mar 4 2009, 09:23 PM
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I dont get what Im looking at here. Comparing the 2 scales there are 2 different notes?

D E F# G A B C# = SCALE
D E F G# A B C# = MODE

2 different notes? G# & F?


I thought there will only be a single note difference? Im lookin at the cahrt you gave me monte.


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post Mar 4 2009, 09:32 PM
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QUOTE (opeth.db @ Mar 4 2009, 09:23 PM) *
I dont get what Im looking at here. Comparing the 2 scales there are 2 different notes?

D E F# G A B C# = SCALE
D E F G# A B C# = MODE

2 different notes? G# & F?


I thought there will only be a single note difference? Im lookin at the cahrt you gave me monte.

It's a typo.....Sorry. D lydian should have F# as well. Here is a new one. Unfortunately the chart is only as good as the dude who made it. tongue.gif

BTW, I'm starting to like your reasoning of looking at D Ionian as the Scale and D lydian as a mode of D Ionian. Good thinking, keeps things straight now that I think about it. smile.gif

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post Mar 5 2009, 04:54 PM
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Dan,
I need you to tell me the notes of E+11 (E augmented 11) and why that is a Lydian chord. Hint comare it to the Ionian mode. smile.gif
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post Mar 5 2009, 05:06 PM
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post Mar 5 2009, 05:18 PM
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I havent forgotten about this. I have been swamped at work during the day the last few days.


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post Mar 5 2009, 05:19 PM
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QUOTE (opeth.db @ Mar 5 2009, 05:18 PM) *
I havent forgotten about this. I have been swamped at work during the day the last few days.

Take your time.....But.....NO PEEKING!!! laugh.gif
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post Mar 5 2009, 05:49 PM
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D-D-E-E

D Lydian = Major

Diatonic scale options for soloing.
D Major - D E F# G A B C#
D Lydian - D E F# G# A B C#

Pentatonic scale options for soloing.

B minor Pentatonic
C# minor pentatonic
F# minor Pentatonic
A Major Pentatonic
D Major Pentatonic
E major Pentatonic

Triad options for soloing.
F# A C#
D F# A
B D F#

I think this is right... /sigh
I think Im getting confused again.


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QUOTE (opeth.db @ Mar 5 2009, 05:49 PM) *
D-D-E-E

D Lydian = Major

Diatonic scale options for soloing.
D Major - D E F# G A B C#
D Lydian - D E F# G# A B C#

Pentatonic scale options for soloing.

B minor Pentatonic
C# minor pentatonic
F# minor Pentatonic
A Major Pentatonic
D Major Pentatonic
E major Pentatonic

Triad options for soloing.
F# A C#
D F# A
B D F#

I think this is right... /sigh
I think Im getting confused again.


Good Dan. Now take the E major scale......We are switching gears now and going from D lydian to E lydian.....and build me an E major 11 chord. Just keep stacking 3rds until you get to 11....so 1-3-5-7-9-11..When you get to 7 you just loop back through the scale, so the 9 would be F#. Then do the same thing except use the E lydian scale this time and tell me what you find when you compare these two chords. smile.gif wink.gif

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post Mar 5 2009, 07:21 PM
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Im not sure how to do this..

Im looking at it like this...

D Lydian
D E F# G# A B C#
1 3 5 7 9 11 13

E Lydian
E F# G# A# B C# D#
1 3 5 7 9 11 13

Stacking thirds starting where?

I apologize but I am confused. sad.gif




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post Mar 5 2009, 07:24 PM
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Good Dan. Now take the E major scale......We are switching gears now and going from D lydian to E lydian.....and build me an E major 11 chord. Just keep stacking 3rds until you get to 11....so 1-3-5-7-9-11..When you get to 7 you just loop back through the scale, so the 9 would be F#. Then do the same thing except use the E lydian scale this time and tell me what you find when you compare these two chords.


E Major and E Lydian.

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So you'd start on E





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post Mar 5 2009, 07:29 PM
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QUOTE (opeth.db @ Mar 5 2009, 07:21 PM) *
Im not sure how to do this..

Im looking at it like this...

D Lydian
D E F# G# A B C#
1 3 5 7 9 11 13

E Lydian
E F# G# A# B C# D#
1 3 5 7 9 11 13

Stacking thirds starting where?

I apologize but I am confused. sad.gif


My fault Dan.....Forget D Lydian, we are working in E lydian now. To analyze it and find the 11 and 13 picture the high E String and write all notes of E lydian in two octaves....Like this.


E--F#-G#--A#-B-C#-D#--E-F#--G#-A#--B--C#--D# (second octave is in bold print)
1------3---------5------7-------9---------11-------13


Now...Do the same thing for E Ionian and then Stack me an E maj 11 from both of those scales and tell me the difference between the two. smile.gif

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post Mar 5 2009, 09:09 PM
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Ok.

Emajor
E F# G# A B C# D# E F# G# A B C# D# E F# E
1-------3------5--------7------9--------11----13---15---------

ELydian
E F# G# A# B C# D# E F# G# A# B C# D# E F# E
1------3---------5-------7-------9--------11------13-------15------

Does the Emajor11 chord involve all of the thirds? Or at least to the 11th position?

Emajor
E G# B D# F# A#
ELydian
E G# B D# F# A#

I dont see a difference between the two. Also Im not sure why I just figured out if I did this correctly.

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post Mar 5 2009, 09:12 PM
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QUOTE (opeth.db @ Mar 5 2009, 09:09 PM) *
Ok.

Emajor
E F# G# A B C# D# E F# G# A B C# D# E F# E
1-------3------5--------7------9--------11----13---15---------

ELydian
E F# G# A# B C# D# E F# G# A# B C# D# E F# E
1------3---------5-------7-------9--------11------13-------15------

Does the Emajor11 chord involve all of the thirds? Or at least to the 11th position?

Emajor
E G# B D# F# A#
ELydian
E G# B D# F# A#

I dont see a difference between the two. Also Im not sure why I just figured out if I did this correctly.

Still lost.. sad.gif


Look at the notes you wrote for E major and E Lydian again and focus on the 11.....

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I think the formatting is getting out of whack here.

Try this.

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Emajor            E Lydian          

E             1         E
F#            2         F#
G#            3         G#
A             4         A#
B             5         B
C#            6         C#
D#            7         D#
E             8         E
F#            9         F#
G#            10        G#
A             11        A#
B             12        B
C#            13        C#
D#            14        D#


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post Mar 5 2009, 09:23 PM
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Apparently I didn't close look at it and I have a typo.

The A is different. A# in Lydian/A in Major.

SO what does this tell me? E Maj 11 = what? Im not following this at all...

We had a chord progression of D D E E. I thought we just use the D Lydian and E Lydian Scale over it.
But I noticed the A is different between the 2 Lydian scales.

Still trying to follow you Monte.



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