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post Mar 5 2009, 09:29 PM
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I need you to tell me the notes of E+11 (E augmented 11) and why that is a Lydian chord. Hint comare it to the Ionian mode.


Forget the DD EE thing. This has nothing to do with that.

To get the Emaj 11 chord you need the 1,3,5,11 of the Emaj scale.

E
F#
G#
A
B
C#
D#

(Since we are going past 7 we need to write it again)

E
F#
G#
A
B
C#
D#

So what is the 1 3 5 and 11?

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post Mar 5 2009, 09:47 PM
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QUOTE (jer @ Mar 5 2009, 09:29 PM) *
Forget the DD EE thing. This has nothing to do with that.

To get the Emaj 11 chord you need the 1,3,5,11 of the Emaj scale.

E
F#
G#
A
B
C#
D#

(Since we are going past 7 we need to write it again)

E
F#
G#
A
B
C#
D#

So what is the 1 3 5 and 11?


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post Mar 5 2009, 09:47 PM
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Ok.

E G# B A = Major
E G# B A# = E Lydian

I had mentioned in my previous post the A is different but I didn't know exactly what a EMajor11 chord was or how it was constructed or why we are using this chord in particular? EMaj11 Chord just seemed to pop out of no where.
Now I see its called augmented? whats that?

I apologize for my ignorance here. Im really trying to understand this.


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post Mar 5 2009, 09:50 PM
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QUOTE (opeth.db @ Mar 5 2009, 09:47 PM) *
Ok.

E G# B A = Major
E G# B A# = E Lydian

I had mentioned in my previous post the A is different but I didn't know exactly what a EMajor11 chord was or how it was constructed or why we are using this chord in particular? EMaj11 Chord just seemed to pop out of no where.
Now I see its called augmented? whats that?

I apologize for my ignorance here. Im really trying to understand this.

No problem Dan you are doing fine. So the A# is what makes the E lydian mode sound like E lydian and not E Ionian right? RIGHT!!!

So why would E11+ be a good chord choice for a lydian chord progression?
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post Mar 5 2009, 09:54 PM
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Augmented is a big fancy way of saying:

SHARP IT!!!!

So A becomes A#

So E11+

Means, Emaj, add the 11, then sharp it.



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QUOTE (lcsdds @ Mar 5 2009, 03:50 PM) *
No problem Dan you are doing fine. So the A# is what makes the E lydian mode sound like E lydian and not E Ionian right? RIGHT!!!

So why would E11+ be a good chord choice for a lydian chord progression?


E11+ are notes found in E Lydian.


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post Mar 5 2009, 09:58 PM
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We're talking about the E11+ chord because its in the Lydian serial lesson. Monte noticed that Muris used a great example of a major chord, tweaked for Lydian use.

(augmenting the A to A#)

So he made this little quiz to see if we could recognize that.




If you write an E major chord progression, then go in and change all the A's in the chords to A#'s you'll have a E Lydian progression.


If you understand that line then I think you understand his point in this exercise.


(ok Monte, I'll get out from behind the teachers desk and go to the back of the room now.....)

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post Mar 5 2009, 09:59 PM
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QUOTE (jer @ Mar 5 2009, 09:54 PM) *
Augmented is a big fancy way of saying:

SHARP IT!!!!

So A becomes A#

So E11+

Means, Emaj, add the 11, then sharp it.

Bingo. Now why is it a good lydian chord?......BTW... I saw you peeking a Jer's answer. laugh.gif laugh.gif tongue.gif
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post Mar 5 2009, 10:00 PM
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QUOTE (lcsdds @ Mar 5 2009, 03:59 PM) *
I saw you peeking a Jer's answer. laugh.gif laugh.gif tongue.gif


Answer for what?


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post Mar 5 2009, 10:01 PM
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QUOTE (opeth.db @ Mar 5 2009, 10:00 PM) *
Answer for what?

Why is E11+ a good lydian chord?
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post Mar 5 2009, 10:03 PM
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QUOTE (lcsdds @ Mar 5 2009, 04:01 PM) *
Why is E11+ a good lydian chord?


I already posted in post#86. IS that wrong?

I was looking at the serial you wanted us to analyze and it looks like you want me to do the next lick?
I dont know what the hell im doing and you want me to analyze it? laugh.gif

Are you guys messing with me? ohmy.gif

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post Mar 5 2009, 10:11 PM
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I already posted in post#86. IS that wrong?


runs back to teachers desk....

No, its right. He must have missed it.

I dont think anyone is messing with you. The original question ws dropped in out of nowhere. That made it a bit confusing as I think you were looking to base it off of something recently discussed.

All this has been is a complex way to say, "See that E11+ chord? Its there to make this sound lydian. See how its a maj chord with the A, turned to A# so it fits the lydian mode?"

We would learn anything if thats how it was said though.


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post Mar 5 2009, 10:14 PM
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QUOTE (opeth.db @ Mar 5 2009, 10:03 PM) *
I already posted in post#86. IS that wrong?

I was looking at the serial you wanted us to analyze and it looks like you want me to do the next lick?
I dont know what the hell im doing and you want me to analyze it? laugh.gif

Are you guys messing with me? ohmy.gif

laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif You are doing fine Dan!!! laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif Sorry, I think we are all posting at the same time and I didn't see post #86. tongue.gif

Alright good job Dan........and Jer!!


So Dan....Armed with what you just learned about E+11...I want you to analyze what Muris is doing in Lick 6 from the Lydian Phrasing Beginner lesson that we are working on. Check it out at the bottom of the page. Tell me what chords he is soloing over and why they are Lydian.......F#/E is F#major with an E for the bass note.....don't want you going postal at work so I'm gonna throw you a bone on that one!!! tongue.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif

Analyze the lick for us like Jer did in his post in his thread about Lick 5, you can find this in the Lydian serial thread as well. I'm gonna give you a little hint.....He is using a 6 note pattern and changing the 6th note of the pattern every time he plays it......I know you could figure this out yourself....but I am worried about the safety of your co-workers so I'm giving you that for their sake!! tongue.gif laugh.gif

Post your answer in this thread and I will post it in the Lydian thread. Now get to work......

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post Mar 5 2009, 10:23 PM
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&$%* all of this... Dan, wanna start a Godsmack cover band?????


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QUOTE (jer @ Mar 5 2009, 04:23 PM) *
&$%* all of this... Dan, wanna start a Godsmack cover band?????


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Dude. I cant even laugh right now. Im so annoyed nothing is clicking for yet with this stuff.. dry.gif


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QUOTE (jer @ Mar 5 2009, 10:23 PM) *
&$%* all of this... Dan, wanna start a Godsmack cover band?????


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I was thinking a Divinyls cover band jer....." laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif

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Right now just try to understand these things. Some of which I know you already know.


1. chord progressions determine the sound of a song. Want a major sound? use ionian,lydian,mixolydian chords.
(we have talked about how to get those chords)

2. solo notes are chosen with attention given to the backing chords. Playing over a lydian chord? Use lydian notes and land on the 3 triad notes.

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Godsmack rules!! \m/\m/

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exactly.....



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QUOTE (jer @ Mar 5 2009, 10:40 PM) *
Right now just try to understand these things. Some of which I know you already know.


1. chord progressions determine the sound of a song. Want a major sound? use ionian,lydian,mixolydian chords.
(we have talked about how to get those chords)

2. solo notes are chosen with attention given to the backing chords. Playing over a lydian chord? Use lydian notes and land on the 3 triad notes.

Well said Jer!!! Dan...Sorry for almost making your head explode this morning. laugh.gif In the future I'll try to do a little better job of prepping you for what answer I am looking for. smile.gif Like Jer said...When thinking about the modes EVERYTHING revolves around and relates somehow to that ONE NOTE!! smile.gif BTW...I want to apologize ahead of time to your wife and kids for the bad mood you are gonna be in when you get home tonight.. laugh.gif tongue.gif

Jer...PM me about the Divinyls thing......... laugh.gif tongue.gif
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