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post Mar 4 2009, 04:48 AM
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Ionian and Dorian Shapes



Lydian Serial Beginner Lesson Lick 1



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QUOTE (jer @ Mar 4 2009, 04:48 AM) *
Ionian and Dorian Shapes



Lydian Serial Beginner Lesson Lick 1


Good Job Jer, Can you play those boxes using legato?

Couldn't get your lydian lick to load, says it's unavailable. smile.gif

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post Mar 4 2009, 01:23 PM
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The Lydian lick is ready now. It was still processing when I uploaded it.

Play them with legato? Sure. Like pick the first note on the string and hammer on to the other 2?


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post Mar 4 2009, 04:32 PM
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QUOTE (jer @ Mar 4 2009, 01:23 PM) *
The Lydian lick is ready now. It was still processing when I uploaded it.

Play them with legato? Sure. Like pick the first note on the string and hammer on to the other 2?

Yup. Hammer-ons when ascending and pull-offs with descending. Turn this into a five minute warm-up excercise routine and see if you can't work the tempo up to about 120-130 KU's over time.
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post Mar 4 2009, 04:34 PM
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will do.

Did ya check the Lydian lick?


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post Mar 4 2009, 06:39 PM
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QUOTE (jer @ Mar 4 2009, 04:34 PM) *
will do.

Did ya check the Lydian lick?

I'll check it at lunch. I don't have have youtube at work. smile.gif

Alright Jer,
So here is kind of like your final exam on all the stuff we have been working on. Let's look at our "D Lydian" chord progression for our collab this month:

D-D-E-E

So take each chord and tell me the following:

Diatonic scale options for soloing.


Pentatonic scale options for soloing.


Triad options for soloing.

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post Mar 4 2009, 06:56 PM
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your post is doubled. You messing around in the gas again?

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Alright Jer,
So here is kind of like your final exam on all the stuff we have been working on. Let's look at our "D Lydian" chord progression for our collab this month:

D-D-E-E

So take each chord and tell me the following:


Sure can.

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Diatonic scale options for soloing.


D- The Dmaj chord has D, F#, A So we can use D Ionian, B Aeolian (of course you can use E Dorian, F# Phrygian, G Lydian, A Mixolydian, and C# Locrian too, but we haven’t talked about that yet)

E- The Emaj chord has E, G#, B So we can use E Ionian, C# Aeolian (and the other modes based off of the degrees in E Ionian)

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Pentatonic scale options for soloing.


D Ionian equates to these pentatonic scales. D pentatonic, G pentatonic, A pentatonic, Bmin pentatonic.

E Ionian equates to these pentatonic scales. E pentatonic, A pentatonic, B pentatonic, C#min pentatonic.

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Triad options for soloing.


D - Any of the Dmaj or Bmin triads. Also Gmaj and Amaj triads will work too.

E – Any of the Emaj or C#min triads. Also Amaj and Bmaj triads will work too.


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post Mar 4 2009, 07:12 PM
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D- The Dmaj chord has D, F#, A So we can use D Ionian, B Aeolian (of course you can use E Dorian, F# Phrygian, G Lydian, A Mixolydian, and C# Locrian too, but we haven’t talked about that yet)

Technically you are correct here Jer, but just think of all of these as either D Ionian. For our collab though, I want you to stick to D Lydian. Remember that modes mean nothing without chords associated with them. So for D major although you could say you are playing F# phrygian, and technically you would be correct, since you aren't soloing over and F# minor chord it won't sound like F# Phrygian, it will sound like D Lydian, at least in our case.

Same thing holds true for E major.

Good job. smile.gif

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D Ionian equates to these pentatonic scales. D pentatonic, G pentatonic, A pentatonic, Bmin pentatonic.

E Ionian equates to these pentatonic scales. E pentatonic, A pentatonic, B pentatonic, C#min pentatonic.


I want your brain to see a D Major chord and think---D major pentatonic, D lydian, D mixolydian and D Ionian.
Don't make it too complicated. smile.gif

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D - Any of the Dmaj or Bmin triads. Also Gmaj and Amaj triads will work too.

E – Any of the Emaj or C#min triads. Also Amaj and Bmaj triads will work too.


Same thing...I want you to see a D major chord and think:

D major=D-F#-A

If I play a D major triad over it, it will sound like D major.

If I play and F# minor triad over it it will sound like D maj7 because you hear the D major chord and the F# minor chord so you hear D-F#-A-C#=D maj7

If I play an A major triad over it it will sound like D maj9. Same reasoning.

Think of E major the same way.

Don't over think, try and keep it simple for now and in the context of D lydian for our collab. We can get all crazy down the road. laugh.gif laugh.gif


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post Mar 4 2009, 07:37 PM
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QUOTE
Don't over think, try and keep it simple for now and in the context of D lydian for our collab. We can get all crazy down the road.This part:


I'm not overthinking it. These are all the things we've been going over these last few days. All those pentatonics and relative minors, etc. They were the correct answers before. If this is the final (per se) then I figured you wanted those answers again.

"When playing over a major chord, you can use any major mode with the same root as that chord." Yeah, thats true. And it gives the modal flavors when you do it. Thats not what we have been doing in the other threads though... We've been more thoroughly analyzing the notes and using the chart to see all of the specific options. It wouldnt occur to me to answer the same question a different way this time. See where I'm coming from here?

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I want you to see a D major chord and think:

D major=D-F#-A

If I play a D major triad over it, it will sound like D major.

If I play and F# minor triad over it it will sound like D maj7 because you hear the D major chord and the F# minor chord so you hear D-F#-A-C#=D maj7

If I play an A major triad over it it will sound like D maj9. Same reasoning.


We barely brushed on that. We talked about breaking down the big 7 and 9 chords into 2 or 3 triads. In a single post though. And we didnt really discuss how/why we'd play them. Just that a bigger chord can be looked at as multiple triads. If we were supposed to understand that I didnt grasp it that way.


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post Mar 4 2009, 07:55 PM
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QUOTE (jer @ Mar 4 2009, 07:37 PM) *
I'm not overthinking it. These are all the things we've been going over these last few days. All those pentatonics and relative minors, etc. They were the correct answers before. If this is the final (per se) then I figured you wanted those answers again.

"When playing over a major chord, you can use any major mode with the same root as that chord." Yeah, thats true. And it gives the modal flavors when you do it. Thats not what we have been doing in the other threads though... We've been more thoroughly analyzing the notes and using the chart to see all of the specific options. It wouldnt occur to me to answer the same question a different way this time. See where I'm coming from here?



We barely brushed on that. We talked about breaking down the big 7 and 9 chords into 2 or 3 triads. In a single post though. And we didnt really discuss how/why we'd play them. Just that a bigger chord can be looked at as multiple triads. If we were supposed to understand that I didnt grasp it that way.

Your reasoning was fine Jer. I am just wanting to kind of prep you for how I want you to think specifically for our collab. I didn't specify that so you did Just fine. Read my post on Triads in the "triad soloing options" smile.gif
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alrighty.



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Jer your Lydian lick looked good. Just tighten it up a little timing wise and you will be good to go. On to lick 2 now.....I'm really interested to see you take on the tapping and alternate picked runs. smile.gif

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HUAHHHH!!!


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what I worked on tonight.



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Good Job Jer!! You have all the major triads memorized. Now do the same for the Minor shapes. Did you see Dan's little video about pre-fretting? Try it out and it will help your pull-offs. The Kaz-Box would do wonders for your Legato if you committed to doing it for 5-7min per night at a few different tempos. Here is what I want to see on your next video:

A Ionian box played legato phrased in 8th note triplets (3 notes per beat).

For your warm up use the following tempos for 1 min each.

50 ku 1min

60 ku 1min

70 ku 1 min

80 ku 1 min

60 ku 1 min

Do this as your warm up EVERY TIME YOU PRACTICE. Also, run through the Ionian, Dorian and Phrygian boxes for now and use your pinky for the highest note on every string for all those boxes.

Some of those tempos are gonna feel painfully slow but it is going to allow you to really concentrate on pre-fretting the notes when doing pull-offs and get everything smooth.

Use those tempos for now and for your first video I want to see you run the A Ionian box using legato at EVERY TEMPO!!

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will do. I'll post this Sat.

Tonight is band practice. Tomorrow night the Misses and I are going out. We have a sitter!!!!!

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QUOTE (jer @ Mar 5 2009, 01:08 PM) *
will do. I'll post this Sat.

Tonight is band practice. Tomorrow night the Misses and I are going out. We have a sitter!!!!!

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Sounds good!! smile.gif
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Jer,
I need you to tell me the notes of E+11 (E augmented 11) and why that is a lydian chord. Hint: Compare it to the Ionian mode. Thanks. smile.gif

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E

also known as Emaj = E G# B

The 11 of that would be A. Augmenting that would make it A#

So E 11+ is E, G#, B, A#

Why is it a Lydian chord? Well, looking at the chart for Lydian I see there is no E Lydian. That doesnt make sense to me.... Looking elsewhere I discover that E Lydian = E F# G# A# B C# D#

All of the notes of that chord are in the E Lydian scale. And compared to E Ionian its got the A# instead of the A.

So its Lydian-ness is supplied by that A#. So when I play that chord I would pick the A# just a bit harder and I'd kick my leg into theair a' la Yngwie to enphasize it.



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QUOTE (jer @ Mar 5 2009, 05:04 PM) *
E

also known as Emaj = E G# B

The 11 of that would be A. Augmenting that would make it A#

So E 11+ is E, G#, B, A#

Why is it a Lydian chord? Well, looking at the chart for Lydian I see there is no E Lydian. That doesnt make sense to me.... Looking elsewhere I discover that E Lydian = E F# G# A# B C# D#

All of the notes of that chord are in the E Lydian scale. And compared to E Ionian its got the A# instead of the A.

So its Lydian-ness is supplied by that A#. So when I play that chord I would pick the A# just a bit harder and I'd kick my leg into theair a' la Yngwie to enphasize it.

laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif I love Yngwie!!! laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif

Good Job Jer!! Now.... Armed with that knowledge, Check out the picture of Lick 5 from the Lydian Beginner tab.

Analyze the notes and tell me what Ninja Muris is doing there....because it sounds pretty Damn Cool!!! tongue.gif

When you figure it out, go post it in the Lydian Serial thread. smile.gif

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