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post Mar 5 2009, 05:58 PM
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Jedi master Muris is exhibiting typical coolness here.

Over the E chord (E, G# cool.gif he is getting jiggy with these triplet licks. (1st half of bar 1)

E, A#, G# & D#, A#, G# Both licks have the A# so that should sound Lydian over the backing chord. And the 2nd lick has the D#, which is also in E Lydian. The D# is also the VII in the Emaj chord. So adding that in there fits nicely.

Then over the E11+ chord he is continuing the D#, A#, G# lick. The E 11+ chord is E, G#, B, A#. Again, the D# in the lick is the VII in the Emaj chord. So it fits well.

Then he drops to C#, A#, G# to finish off the bar. Still over the E11+ chord. That C# isn’t in the chord itself, but it is in the E Lydian scale.

In bar 2 we go back to the lick with D# in it. Which we covered above. And then the C# one again, then finally he finishes it by going down to B then E. Both of which are in E Lydian and E Ionian.



So… In a nutshell, he’s using the notes of the chord in the backing. And dancing around the other notes in the scale as well.


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post Mar 5 2009, 06:15 PM
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QUOTE (jer @ Mar 5 2009, 05:58 PM) *
Jedi master Muris is exhibiting typical coolness here.

Over the E chord (E, G# cool.gif he is getting jiggy with these triplet licks. (1st half of bar 1)

E, A#, G# & D#, A#, G# Both licks have the A# so that should sound Lydian over the backing chord. And the 2nd lick has the D#, which is also in E Lydian. The D# is also the VII in the Emaj chord. So adding that in there fits nicely.

Then over the E11+ chord he is continuing the D#, A#, G# lick. The E 11+ chord is E, G#, B, A#. Again, the D# in the lick is the VII in the Emaj chord. So it fits well.

Then he drops to C#, A#, G# to finish off the bar. Still over the E11+ chord. That C# isn’t in the chord itself, but it is in the E Lydian scale.

In bar 2 we go back to the lick with D# in it. Which we covered above. And then the C# one again, then finally he finishes it by going down to B then E. Both of which are in E Lydian and E Ionian.



So… In a nutshell, he’s using the notes of the chord in the backing. And dancing around the other notes in the scale as well.


Are you telling me that Muris is basing his lick on the Chord he is soloing over?......Hmmmm...I wonder if he learned that from me, OR......If I learned that from HIM!!! tongue.gif ph34r.gif

Good Job Jer!! \m/\m/....Now apply it to your own playing. smile.gif
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post Mar 5 2009, 06:23 PM
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Yeah, basing your lead on the backing chords is how ya do it!

Look at the backing and use the notes that are being played by the rhythm guitarist. (or keyboardist)

Land and hang on the triad notes for best resolving effect.

If the backing chord is major, try spicing it up a bit with a major mode. If its minor, try a minor mode for a different twist.

Try other notes that would be in the extended version of the backing chord.

There is more than one way to melt a face!!!!!!


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post Mar 5 2009, 06:25 PM
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QUOTE (jer @ Mar 5 2009, 06:23 PM) *
Yeah, basing your lead on the backing chords is how ya do it!

Look at the backing and use the notes that are being played by the rhythm guitarist. (or keyboardist)

Land and hang on the triad notes for best resolving effect.

If the backing chord is major, try spicing it up a bit with a major mode. If its minor, try a minor mode for a different twist.

Try other notes that would be in the extended version of the backing chord.

There is more than one way to melt a face!!!!!!

I like your thinking Jer......Hmmmm....I wonder if it might be handy to know some major and minor triad shapes to carry out your mission of SONIC AWESOMENESS!!! \m/\m/

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post Mar 5 2009, 06:28 PM
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knowing the shapes or memorizing every location of those 3 notes.

memorizing the shapes is probably an easier task.


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post Mar 5 2009, 11:36 PM
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Jer,
I want you to try and bust out the Lydian beginner lesson ASAP. Be cool if you could have a post of the whole thing by next weekend. After you and Dan post a full take I'm gonna throw you another curveball with the lesson....You know you love it!!! tongue.gif laugh.gif Dan says he has it up to ful tempo already. smile.gif

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post Mar 6 2009, 12:59 AM
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Dan says he has it up to ful tempo already.


He does, does he?

Then where's the video?


SHOW ME THE VIDEO!!!!!!

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post Mar 6 2009, 03:18 PM
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QUOTE (jer @ Mar 5 2009, 06:59 PM) *
He does, does he?

Then where's the video?


SHOW ME THE VIDEO!!!!!!

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Thats right! cool.gif


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post Mar 6 2009, 03:51 PM
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thats right that there is NO VIDEO!

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Im working on it. Trying to get used to the suck button.


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post Mar 6 2009, 05:43 PM
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it gets me most every time too.



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post Mar 7 2009, 02:51 PM
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Man, the lydian serial Lick 4 is killing me.



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post Mar 7 2009, 03:03 PM
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QUOTE (jer @ Mar 7 2009, 02:51 PM) *
Man, the lydian serial Lick 4 is killing me.

This one? You have two options: Play it legato if you think you can do better that way or whip out the Kaz-box. Find your top clean speed and then set the metronome for 30 bpm less and then play the lick at 5 or 6 different tempos for a minute each.

Let's say you play it fine until about 60 bpm. Subtract 30 bpm and do this.

30 bpm 1 min
40 bpm 1 min
50 bpm 1 min
60 bpm 1 min
70 bpm 1 min
50 bpm 1 min

Do this daily and increase 5-10 bpm every week until you are up to tempo. Easy as can be. smile.gif

Now you have and AP lick in your practice routine!! When you get it up to tempo you have a cool solo to use it in as well.

Get to work!! smile.gif
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yep, thats the one.



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post Mar 7 2009, 05:58 PM
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hey jer,

are you good at using the kazbox?


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Jer I couldn't play it at full speed also. Firstly I lowered the tempo to 75bpm and played it along in guitar pro. Increasing it to 80bpm took my first practice day. Second day my "brain learned" it a bit, so I could rise the tempo to full speed, but made some mistakes. So I set the metronome to 130bpm and started killing my ears with what I could dish out:D After lowering it time and time by 5bpm, playing it back at 95bpm was quite easy:)


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It takes me a while with the kazbox. I start out absolutely atrocious. But then it slowly starts to click and I can play with it.


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QUOTE
30 bpm 1 min
40 bpm 1 min
50 bpm 1 min
60 bpm 1 min
70 bpm 1 min
50 bpm 1 min


My metronome wont go below 40. In this case the lick is at 100bpm, I can play it that fast, just not clean or for very long. So I figured I'd start at 70 and work it up from there.

With really slow speeds, is there any problem with setting the KB to 1 click per note? Like instead of 50, set it to 200 if you are doing 16th notes?





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QUOTE (jer @ Mar 8 2009, 01:40 PM) *
My metronome wont go below 40. In this case the lick is at 100bpm, I can play it that fast, just not clean or for very long. So I figured I'd start at 70 and work it up from there.

With really slow speeds, is there any problem with setting the KB to 1 click per note? Like instead of 50, set it to 200 if you are doing 16th notes?

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QUOTE (jer @ Mar 8 2009, 07:40 AM) *
My metronome wont go below 40. In this case the lick is at 100bpm, I can play it that fast, just not clean or for very long. So I figured I'd start at 70 and work it up from there.

With really slow speeds, is there any problem with setting the KB to 1 click per note? Like instead of 50, set it to 200 if you are doing 16th notes?


I used to do that but it doesn't teach you how to sub-divide the beat properly.


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