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post Feb 27 2009, 02:33 AM
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ok. Bars 1 and 2 make sense. Triplets throughout. No prob. I'm at 90. 95 and I start messing it up.... This is a real pinky workout too. Which is good.

Bars 3 and 4. How do I tell by looking at the tab where the notes fall? Bars 1 and 2 are easy. Bar 3 that first note has a dot next to it. What does that mean? Is that note counts 1-3 and the next note is a quarter note? (4)

Check out the tab Jer. Lick 1 is only bars 1&2. Lick 2 is only bars 5&6. We aren't gonna worry about the bends and timing just yet but we'll get there I promise. Stick with me on this alright? Just the speed licks for now. I know you know how to bend and play the slower stuff just fine. I want to concentrate on teaching you how to take a faster lick and work it up to tempo. If you could post a video of your top clean speed played along with metronome on those two licks once you get them memorized that would be great. smile.gif

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ahhh I see. I thought where lick 2 started, lick one ended.

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So Jer here is what we're gonna do. For next week we are gonna focus on just the first 2 licks.

For lick 1 we are gonna use 90 KU's for your top clean speed and 100 KU's for your target speed.

You are gonna take your Kaz-Box and set it for 50 KU's and set your timer for 1 minute and play that lick over and over.

You are gonna do the same thing for 60, 70, 80, 90 and 100 KU's. Play them all for 1 minute. So five minutes total on the Lick 1.

Here is why I want you to do this. At 50, 60, 70 and 80 KU's you are playing well below your top clean speed and really ingraining the motions required to play the lick into your muscle memory and your are playing extremely clean and accurate. When you get to 90 it should feel really comfortable. When you get to 100 you are gonna be maybe playing 70-75 percent accurate but you are teaching your brain and fingers what it is like to go faster. Over the course of the week you will find that when you jump up to 100 again you are getting more and more accurate. I want you to do this same thing when you figure out your top clean speed for lick 2.

The purpose of the timer for me is to keep me on schedule. I am like you, I have a wife, kids, career etc., so my practice time is limited. When I practice I want to make sure I am getting the most out of my session. I got frustrated that I would practice for 2 hours and feel like I didn't get through all the material I wanted to because I would get distracted. So I got the timer to keep me on schedule. Now I can take a couple of hours and get through a lot of material because the timer keeps me on schedule. If this isn't important to you don't do it but if you use this method then you know you can go into your practice space and in 25 minutes you can pretty thoroughly and in a focused matter get through the "Electric Eye" solo. I want you to just try it my way with the timer for one month and see if you don't see progress. The key here is consistency, really try and get at least through the 5 licks each day once you learn them. Once you get the speed licks up to a respectable tempo we will work on integrating them with the slower licks and I'll go into more detail about how to count each individual measure. If you are consistent with this I can guarantee you that you WILL get this solo up to tempo, it is just a matter of time and consistent correct practicing.

For you video posts I don't want to see you playing along with the CD or anything. Just you, your axe and the Kaz-Box. Can you do that for me dude? smile.gif
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post Feb 27 2009, 01:36 PM
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Yep, can do.

The only question I have is:

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Once you get the speed licks up to a respectable tempo we will work on integrating them with the slower licks and I'll go into more detail about how to count each individual measure.


Don't I need to know how to count each measure before I start practicing it? Otherwise I'm practicing it wrong, yes?

Bars 5 and 6 for example. I dont know how to count those.... I dont want to start playing them and just guess. Otherwise that is valuable minutes wasted playing them wrong. And worse yet, ingraining them WRONG.

Bars 1 and 2 are easy. 4 sets of 3.


Question: And this is off topic... What is your definition of "Legato"?



Question 3: How do you recommend picking lick 1?

I just ran through 1 minute each of 50-60-70-80-90-100 KUs on Lick 1. I'll be doing the same after work before band practice.

Little chunks like this I can knock out a handful of times in a given day.



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Jer-

I found the timer is a super efficient way of practicing when we have all the stuff like we do goin on... smile.gif


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Oh yeah, I agree.

That timer in the picture ain't new. And its been sitting on my desk for a while now.

My daughter has me bouncing all over the house like a dang Tigger on crack. I couldnt tell you how long I've been at something since its always in 30 sec clips. Its like she has a sensor that goes off whenever dad sits down. Her mom is the same way. I could spend an hour in the kitchen/dining/living room and nobody would even acknowledge I'm home. But as soon as I disappear around the corner to my guitar room its "DAAAAAAAAAAD!" And ya can't always wait til bedtime cuz man, I've been up since 5:30 too! Come 8:30 - 9pm my motivation starts dwindling....

Don't get me wrong. I love em. And I wouldnt trade them for the world. (wife and kid) They just are very un-conducive to productive practice.





Question 4: Triads. Kaznie mentioned this in his thread too. What is the purpose of them in that 1st lesson? I don't really understand the significance of learning these. I know what they are, the building blocks for different chord types. Can you elaborate?


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QUOTE (jer @ Feb 27 2009, 01:36 PM) *
Yep, can do.

The only question I have is:



Don't I need to know how to count each measure before I start practicing it? Otherwise I'm practicing it wrong, yes?

Bars 5 and 6 for example. I dont know how to count those.... I dont want to start playing them and just guess. Otherwise that is valuable minutes wasted playing them wrong. And worse yet, ingraining them WRONG.

Bars 1 and 2 are easy. 4 sets of 3.


Question: And this is off topic... What is your definition of "Legato"?



Question 3: How do you recommend picking lick 1?

I just ran through 1 minute each of 50-60-70-80-90-100 KUs on Lick 1. I'll be doing the same after work before band practice.

Little chunks like this I can knock out a handful of times in a given day.


Pick Lick 1 with all downstrokes!!

For lick 2 look at the picture I provided and play where the words are capitalized. Rest or hold the note where the words are in lower case. smile.gif

At this point Jer I wouldn't worry about the bend leading into bar 5 or the last note of bar 6. When you get the lick up to a reasonable tempo that will be easy to sort out, but you can work on incorporating the first bend if you would like but only after you have done 1 cycle of 5 minutes at the different tempos of just the run. After you do that you can play the lick again and try to get the feel of where the bend from bar 4 leading into bar 5 falls. Think of these two licks as pure excercises that when you get them up to tempo you are going to use in a solo. THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT THEY ARE!! smile.gif

I am really at this point just wanting you to focus on just the run. I know you can bend just fine. smile.gif
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Yep, I'm with ya, we'll leave them out then. They are part of the prescribed bars so I had to ask.


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QUOTE (jer @ Feb 27 2009, 02:36 PM) *
Oh yeah, I agree.

That timer in the picture ain't new. And its been sitting on my desk for a while now.

My daughter has me bouncing all over the house like a dang Tigger on crack. I couldnt tell you how long I've been at something since its always in 30 sec clips. Its like she has a sensor that goes off whenever dad sits down. Her mom is the same way. I could spend an hour in the kitchen/dining/living room and nobody would even acknowledge I'm home. But as soon as I disappear around the corner to my guitar room its "DAAAAAAAAAAD!" And ya can't always wait til bedtime cuz man, I've been up since 5:30 too! Come 8:30 - 9pm my motivation starts dwindling....

Don't get me wrong. I love em. And I wouldnt trade them for the world. (wife and kid) They just are very un-conducive to productive practice.





Question 4: Triads. Kaznie mentioned this in his thread too. What is the purpose of them in that 1st lesson? I don't really understand the significance of learning these. I know what they are, the building blocks for different chord types. Can you elaborate?


The triads are important for a few different reasons.

1) They are simple 3 string shapes that you can use for riffing in your rhythm playing. EVH does this ALL THE TIME.

2) They are great for playing arpeggios if you want to throw in some sweeps in your solo.

3) They are "safe/strong" notes when soloing and focusing on these notes make your solos more melodic.

Let's say I am trying to solo over and E major chord. I can find an E major triad shape and then picture either my diatonic or pentatonic box around it and I know that those notes in the triad are good "landing notes" for my licks and phrases.

Every one of those diatonic and pentatonic boxes contain EVERY triad that can be built from the scale. In the case of the tab I gave you guys it would be the major and minor triads found in the key of A major. I am gonna elaborate on this some more today in the main thread so stay tuned. I hope that at least helps for now. smile.gif


BTW Jer, I define legato as using as many hammer-ons and pull-offs as possibe. In the case of tapping ALL hammer-ons and pull-offs. When I do a legato run I only pick when necessary to change strings and sometimes not even then. biggrin.gif biggrin.gif

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Let's say I am trying to solo over and E major chord. I can find an E major triad shape and then picture either my diatonic or pentatonic box around it and I know that those notes in the triad are good "landing notes" for my licks and phrases.


I'd love to learn more about this. Whenever the time is right. Just know that. It doesnt need to be now.... Maybe you could point out some examples in the Electric Eye solo. "Here we are soloing over X chord, see how the lick is based around this pattern and he lands here?" That kinda thing. Stuff in context is KEY with me. (and not just me I'm sure) I'm sure you already know that though. smile.gif

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BTW Jer, I define legato as using as many hammer-ons and pull-offs as possibe. In the case of tapping ALL hammer-ons and pull-offs. When I do a legato run I only pick when necessary to change strings and sometimes not even then.


I'm with ya. Yeah, thats the definition I use too. More left hand than right. Fluid, left hand playing. Little to no picking. Very "Satch-ey" wink.gif

Would lick 1 in electric eye be considered a legato lick? I'd think so. We're picking 1/3 of it.


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QUOTE (jer @ Feb 27 2009, 03:03 PM) *
I'd love to learn more about this. Whenever the time is right. Just know that. It doesnt need to be now.... Maybe you could point out some examples in the Electric Eye solo. "Here we are soloing over X chord, see how the lick is based around this pattern and he lands here?" That kinda thing. Stuff in context is KEY with me. (and not just me I'm sure) I'm sure you already know that though. smile.gif



I'm with ya. Yeah, thats the definition I use too. More left hand than right. Fluid, left hand playing. Little to no picking. Very "Satch-ey" wink.gif

Would lick 1 in electric eye be considered a legato lick? I'd think so. We're picking 1/3 of it.

You are gonna learn more about triads, scales and soloing this next week dude!! smile.gif

Jer....Dan say you have some recording skills and since you only have two simple licks to memorize for the week I am gonna give you two assingments that I am hoping you can help me out with, especially since I have little to no recording skills. laugh.gif

1) I need you to tell me what triads can be found in the Key of D major. If you don't know then refer to the lesson by Andrew on chords and scales. The link can be found in the main thread.

2) If you could would you please record a simple backing track for me. Drums, clean guitar and bass if it is not too much trouble.

I want the tempo to be about 100 KU and the progression to be 2 bars of D major and 2 bars of E major. Loop this four times so we have 16 bars total and once you do this if you could post it in your thread and I will refer everybody here to download it. Thanks dude and I hope that it won't be too much trouble. smile.gif
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Jer....Dan say you have some recording skills and since you only have two simple licks to memorize for the week I am gonna give you two assingments that I am hoping you can help me out with, especially since I have little to no recording skills.


You bet.

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2) If you could would you please record a simple backing track for me. Drums, clean guitar and bass if it is not too much trouble.

I want the tempo to be about 100 KU and the progression to be 2 bars of D major and 2 bars of E major. Loop this four times so we have 16 bars total and once you do this if you could post it in your thread and I will refer everybody here to download it. Thanks dude and I hope that it won't be too much trouble.


Yep. Can do.

4 strums per bar?

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I need you to tell me what triads can be found in the Key of D major.


I'm going to work this out here on paper. So you can see my thinking. I'mnot sure if I am right or not.

Dmaj = D E F# G A B C#

D, F#, A
E, G, B
F#, A, C#
G, B, D
A, C#, E
B, D, F#
C#, E, G

Now... I know that the order of these is constant for major. But I cant remember what it is. I know the last one is diminished.

I had to look it up.

Dmaj
Emin
F#min
Gmaj
Amaj
Bmin
C#dim

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QUOTE (jer @ Feb 27 2009, 04:49 PM) *
You bet.



Yep. Can do.

4 strums per bar?



I'm going to work this out here on paper. So you can see my thinking. I'mnot sure if I am right or not.

Dmaj = D E F# G A B C#

D, F#, A
E, G, B
F#, A, C#
G, B, D
A, C#, E
B, D, F#
C#, E, G

Now... I know that the order of these is constant for major. But I cant remember what it is. I know the last one is diminished.

I had to look it up.

Dmaj
Emin
F#min
Gmaj
Amaj
Bmin
C#dim


First things first. How the heck do you get it to where you can break up the quotes like you do and answer specific questions? Dumb it down for me, remember I'm a dentist. laugh.gif


For the track lets go for a strum on the 1 of the first beat and the "and" of the 4th beat. So strum the down beat of the first beat and the up beat of the 4th beat and then hold this through the second bar. So only two strums per chord all happening in the first bar of each chord, no strums in the second bar of each chord also bump the tempo up to maybe 120 KU or so. I'll let you decide but I am going for a Satchey ballad type feel. Got it? smile.gif Thanks.

You were correct on the chords for D major. Good job!! Check the main thread over the next couple of days as I am going to elaborate on some things and give you guys a fun assingment. Also, if everybody uploads some takes over this chord progression could you mix it? Thanks dude!! smile.gif
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First things first. How the heck do you get it to where you can break up the quotes like you do and answer specific questions? Dumb it down for me, remember I'm a dentist.


I copy and paste the part I want to quote from the message and use the quote button. To the right of the smiley. Highlight what you want to quote (after pasting it into your message) and then click that.

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For the track lets go for a strum on the 1 of the first beat and the "and" of the 4th beat. So strum the down beat of the first beat and the up beat of the 4th beat and then hold this through the second bar. So only two strums per chord all happening in the first bar of each chord, no strums in the second bar of each chord also bump the tempo up to maybe 120 KU or so. I'll let you decide but I am going for a Satchey ballad type feel. Got it? Thanks.


Yeah I thik I have it.


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Yeah I thik I have it.


Cool. Jeremy, just email me the backing track if you would and I'll go ahead and post it on the main thread. So you can mix everything then? Thanks. smile.gif smile.gif
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Sure.

I'll make the backing late tonight or tomorrow morning.

and yeah, I can mix it.

I'm happy to help ya with any recording questions you may have. I'm not a wiz by any means but I've figured a few things out.


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So in the case of D lydian we can use a chord progression using D maj and then try and work in E maj, C# min as well.


Is there a reason you left out G#dim?

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The Chord progression I am going to use is D-D-E-E. Think Satch's "Flying in a blue dream".


I'm lost. We just went through all of that to find what will give it a lydian feel and you are going to use D and E? These aren't going to sound "Lydian" are they?





So far in everything we've talked about, why are we using the word "triad"?

These are just the chords of the scale yes?

Just to make sure I have the backing track thing right.


CODE
Beats 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 1 - 2 - 3 - 4
      D             D                 E             E



Repeat 3 more times. Clean guitar chords. Bass notes mirroring the guitar chords. Basic 4/4 drum beat.

ok, lots of formatting involved in making that last post look right. I'm finished editiing it.......

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I'm lost. We just went through all of that to find what will give it a lydian feel and you are going to use D and E? These aren't going to sound "Lydian" are they?


Remember from my post that to find out what gives Lydian its characteristic sound we compare it to the Ionian scale. There was only one note difference and that was G#. So we try to EMPHASIZE those chords that contain G# in our chord progression. In D Ionian that would be G# dim, E major and C# min. In D Ionian you have E minor NOT E major. The reason for this is the G#. So in D Lydian the note that gives it its characteristic sound is G#. I want you to look at the chart I gave you Jer and tell me what keys contain within them a D major AND an E major triad. Please post back here with the Answer. smile.gif



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Is there a reason you left out G#dim?


You could use G# dim as well but it sounds kind of strange to my ear so I chose not to use it in the chord progression. You don't have to use all the chords that contain the G# note to get a D lydian feel, but you have to use some. Which ones is up to you. smile.gif


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So far in everything we've talked about, why are we using the word "triad"?

These are just the chords of the scale yes?

Correct Jer!! Triads are just 3 note chords and we can get other chords like 7th and 9th chords by adding additional notes to these triads. The triad is just the most basic chord. We'll get more into that later. Good job!! smile.gif

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post Feb 28 2009, 01:57 AM
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Jer,
I got two questions for you.

1) What scales contain both a Dmaj triad and a C#min triad?

2) What scales contain both a Dmaj triad and an Emaj triad?

Use the chart I gave you and post back and let me know. Thanks dude!! smile.gif
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Hi Jer,
I am wanting to solo over a D mixolydian chord progression. From reading the posts I did in the main thread can you answer the following questions please?

1) Is this a Major or Minor mode?

2) What is it's scale of comparison to figure out my chord options?

3) What are my diatonic scale options for soloing over this?

4) What are my pentatonic scale options for soloing over this?


Use the chart I gave you to figure these out. Thanks Jer. \m/ \m/ smile.gif

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