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post Mar 1 2009, 03:19 AM
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Hey Dan, what do you call a Dr that flunks out of med school?


That's and old one Jer!!...I'm sure you can do better than that!!:lol: laugh.gif

What is the difference between a dentist and God? God doesn't think he is a dentist!! laugh.gif laugh.gif



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That's and old one Jer!!...I'm sure you can do better than that!!:lol: laugh.gif

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LMAO!

And I was taliking to Jer, tiger. tongue.gif


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Jer,
What up!! \m/\m/

So I was jamming on the six stringer last night and decided to write a song for my hardcore death metal band that I am in "The Tooth Fairies".

I started to come up with a chord progression in the key of "G Dorian". Here is my chord progressions so far:

Gm....

I'm stuck though. I know what my options for chords are, but I want to MAKE SURE that after the show I don't have to kick the groupies out of my dressing room for pissing me off by telling me how much they loved "that solo thingy you did on guitar in the key of G Aeolian". I HATE IT WHEN THAT HAPPENS laugh.gif

So I figured you might be able to help me out and reccomend me some possible chords that I might be able to use in my progression so those groupies KNOW FOR SURE that my facemelting guitar solo was in the key of G Dorian and NOT G Aeolian.

Also, now that the word is out that I flunked out of Med School and I don't have to pretend to be smart anymore, could you briefly explain why these chords you are reccomending to me as options for my chord progression are gonna make my tune sound more Dorian than Aeolian. Dumb it down for me dude!!! I don't really understand any of that raised fourth crap so explain it in terms that a Med School flunkee can understand. laugh.gif


Thanks dude, I knew you would help me save the groupies the embarrassment of being banished from my dressing room.!! laugh.gif laugh.gif

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post Mar 1 2009, 02:36 PM
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OR......

We could just fire up the gas and get it on with the groupies.

Do we really need all this theory crap when we have huge tanks of NO2 at our disposal?





Alrighty, lets whip out the old chart here.

G Dorian = G A Bb C D E F

G Aeolian = G A Bb C D Eb F

We're gonna want to be hitting that E. Since Aeolian has the Eb. Now what that will do to the ladies we'll just have to wait and see. But hey, there are always more groupies. So if these get mad and leave, its no loss really.

Our normal chords for G Dorian are:

Gdim
Amaj
Bbmin
Cmin
Dmaj
Emaj
Fmin (maybe something here where we add the E to the chord?)

I bolded the ones containing the E. Also, what about adding E to the Fmin chord?




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So I was jamming on the six stringer last night and decided to write a song for my hardcore death metal band that I am in "The Tooth Fairies".
HAHAHA!!!!

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And I was taliking to Jer, tiger.
You think I'm Mr Smartypants? Boy do I have you fooled!!!!! smile.gif


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post Mar 1 2009, 02:56 PM
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QUOTE (jer @ Mar 1 2009, 02:36 PM) *
OR......

We could just fire up the gas and get it on with the groupies.

Do we really need all this theory crap when we have huge tanks of NO2 at our disposal?





Alrighty, lets whip out the old chart here.

G Dorian = G A Bb C D E F

G Aeolian = G A Bb C D Eb F

We're gonna want to be hitting that E. Since Aeolian has the Eb. Now what that will do to the ladies we'll just have to wait and see. But hey, there are always more groupies. So if these get mad and leave, its no loss really.

Our normal chords for G Dorian are:

Gdim
Amaj
Bbmin
Cmin
Dmaj
Emaj
Fmin (maybe something here where we add the E to the chord?)

I bolded the ones containing the E. Also, what about adding E to the Fmin chord?




HAHAHA!!!!

You think I'm Mr Smartypants? Boy do I have you fooled!!!!! smile.gif


You are correct in focusing on the E Jer but check your chart again for the triads found in G Dorian, remember that on the chart the I, IV and V are always Major and the ii, iii and vi are always minor and the vii is always diminished.

Correct this error with the triads found in G Dorian and "The Tooth Fairies" groupies the world over will be in your debt!! laugh.gif
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post Mar 1 2009, 03:19 PM
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Oops. I knew that, I moved it the wrong way, didnt use the chart.... I knew what I meant to do though.

Gmin
Amin
Bbmaj
Cmaj
Dmin
Edim
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post Mar 1 2009, 09:49 PM
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Anyways, he wanted to know if I could get in touch with you and see if you would help him finish a song. He said that he is trying to come up with a song in the key of "A Lydian" and that he was stumped as to how to get it to sound Lydian. He said so far that this was his chord progression: Amaj



What a chump... One note is ALL you need! (language alert)



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QUOTE (jer @ Mar 1 2009, 09:49 PM) *
What a chump... One note is ALL you need! (language alert)


laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif I Love Jack Black, he is so metal!!! laugh.gif laugh.gif \m/\m/
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When playing over the D Major chord I want you to find a D major triad box. You can find this by taking your A major triad shapes that I gave you and moving them up or down the neck as needed to make them D major. If anyone doesn't know how to do this you can ask me in your thread. I think you guys are smart enough to figure it out tho.


Ok, I'm not smart enough to figure this out.

I see 3 sets of Amaj triad shapes on page 1 of the guitar pro file. And honestly I dont really understand what I am looking at. I understand that I can slide them up 5 frets to get to Dmaj.

A major triad is the 1-3-5 of the scale. So that'd be D, F#, A

So yeah, look at that first Amaj triad. It becomes.

----5----
----7----
----7----
---------
---------
---------

So???? Here is where I get lost. What do I do with this piece of knowledge?

Here's the A Ionian box that shares some of those....

------7---9-10--
------7---9-10--
----6-7---9-10--
----6-7---9-10--
--5---7---9-10--
--5---7---9-10--

So you are saying we could solo in that box and target

----5----
----7----
----7----
---------
---------
---------

As our landing notes?

We'd need to use something different for that A on the high E string. Since its not really accessible to us though right?


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post Mar 1 2009, 11:23 PM
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I'll get to your question in a bit. smile.gif

Check out this thread:

https://www.guitarmasterclass.net/guitar_fo...mp;#entry347187


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Ok, I'm not smart enough to figure this out.

I see 3 sets of Amaj triad shapes on page 1 of the guitar pro file. And honestly I dont really understand what I am looking at. I understand that I can slide them up 5 frets to get to Dmaj.

A major triad is the 1-3-5 of the scale. So that'd be D, F#, A

So yeah, look at that first Amaj triad. It becomes.

----5----
----7----
----7----
---------
---------
---------

So???? Here is where I get lost. What do I do with this piece of knowledge?

Here's the A Ionian box that shares some of those....

------7---9-10--
------7---9-10--
----6-7---9-10--
----6-7---9-10--
--5---7---9-10--
--5---7---9-10--

So you are saying we could solo in that box and target

----5----
----7----
----7----
---------
---------
---------

As our landing notes?

We'd need to use something different for that A on the high E string. Since its not really accessible to us though right?

Jer check out my picture. The first bar is the triads played in 3 string groupings. The second bar is how a sweep arpeggio would be played. Do you see that those bars are the exact same notes just one is played as chords and the other as an arpeggio or broken chord? The second is your target notes. This example is for A major, you know how to find D and E major already. smile.gif

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Will do.


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Jer check out my picture. The first bar is the triads played in 3 string groupings. The second bar is how a sweep arpeggio would be played. Do you see that those bars are the exact same notes just one is played as chords and the other as an arpeggio or broken chord? The second is your target notes.


Right, ok so what I was saying is true. You used the 2nd position triads, I used the 1st.



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Will do.




Right, ok so what I was saying is true. You used the 2nd position triads, I used the 1st.

Right on Dude!! The different positions just allow you to cover the whole neck. Just think of these as scale with 3 positions!! Get it?
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yup.

So are we all caught up on this thread then?



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QUOTE (jer @ Mar 2 2009, 12:22 AM) *
yup.

So are we all caught up on this thread then?

Yup. Now it's time to get to work on "Electric Eye". Let me know when you have the first two licks memorized and know your top clean speed for both. Then I will learn them and we'll work on getting them up to tempo. \m/\m/ smile.gif
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will do.

Havent had much time this weekend. Band practice tomorrow....

I have lick one memorized already so its just lick 2 to memorize.

Hopefully Tuesday.



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question. Off topic.


This chord.

-------
-------
---5---
---5---
---3---
-------

Is a C5. Its not really a chord since we only have 2 notes. The C and the G.

What is it when you add this?

-------
-------
---5---
---5---
---3---
---3---

Its still only 2 notes. But we've changed the bass. (low note)

Is it still called C5?

The tone of it changes a lot, almost has a minor tone to it......


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QUOTE (jer @ Mar 2 2009, 05:04 PM) *
question. Off topic.


This chord.

-------
-------
---5---
---5---
---3---
-------

Is a C5. Its not really a chord since we only have 2 notes. The C and the G.

What is it when you add this?

-------
-------
---5---
---5---
---3---
---3---

Its still only 2 notes. But we've changed the bass. (low note)

Is it still called C5?

The tone of it changes a lot, almost has a minor tone to it......


Think of it as a C5 with a G bass. I think they call them slash chords. Very cool sound!!!
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Hi Jer,
I remember you saying in your intro that you were in a progressive metal band!! Me too...Remember..."Tooth Fairies" laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif

You said coming up with songs was a challenge. I want to give you some food for thought on how you can try some different stuff using the triads you are learning.

Give me an example of a progression you are working on and the Key it is in and we'll start some dialogue on some things you might try to spice up your riffing. smile.gif smile.gif \m/\m/
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Will do.

I don't write anything for the current band. Yet. Someday....

I want to write real interesting stuff. But I always end up with some basic greasy rock powerchord thing that bores me senseless....

I'll email you the latest one.


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