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Ramiro Delforte
post Feb 28 2009, 01:17 AM
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First I'd like to thank all of you for participating in my first collab and to take this chanllenge that is those new sounds of the exotic scales.
The comments are divided in three parts, each for one part of the backing. I've tried to remark not only the things that I think you have to improve technically but also the compositional/improvisational skills, the note choice and some more things that came into my mind when I listened to your solos.

The order of the participants is not relevant, I added the takes in any order but in the name of the MP3 is the list and here obiously I commented in that order.

I recommend to everyone to read all the comments.

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Thank you for being pacient since this is the first time I made such a work.

Dexxxter

Part 1

The only comment about this part is that the first lick is a little un-accurate but the rest is great. I like how you prepare
the entrance of the second part and those tapped harmonics to get the octave of some notes.
You also took advantage on the "oriental" sounding of the scale and give it some phrasing like some players do to the
harmonic minor, that's something original because is what I've been looking to teach with this scales, some new sounding but aplied to these new scales.

Part 2

Nice entrance melody and you've got an idea: movement in the backing = no too much movement into the lead line. I like that, is always a great strategy.
The final line where you go up to the limit of the guitar register is a really cool way to end that part.

Part 3

Now you're back to the lower register, nice contrast with the previous part, also a nice idea. Also you've included in this part a typical pedal tone and considering this is the harmonic major is the perfect place to do that kind of thing, and again I'm glad you took the advice of following your old elements into this new sounding.

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Great playing, great ideas the only thing to remark is that sometimes you have little flaws like you missed some accurate rhythmic placing or some slides that are not precise, but considering the overall those are little things.

Ztevie

Part 1

You've created a good motiv that helps you to the syntax of your solo. You start with this motiv with G, C and Db and then you answer it then come back and make a variation on it, then you go for other places and then when the part repeats you come back to the same motiv. That's a good idea, take phrase that will place your ideas in order.

Part 2

In this part you use the same concept, start the part with a little melodic development. Also like Dexxxter you don't abuse of the movement of the guitar line and let the backing do the major motion. Is a nice touch the harmonics slide.

Part 3

I think this is the weaker part of your solo. Here the ideas are more like floating around although there are some good out there to work on. In the 2:42 min. you have a bending that reaches to A and the scale has Ab, that's something that you could avoid, it doesn't sound nice to the part.

General comments

It is a great take but I think you could improve some points:

-vibrato: you could practice to give a more natural feel to that technique.
-bendings: be aware of the notes that you're arriving when you improvize or make a solo.

Keep the good work!


Lian

Part 1

First of all, nice idea of using harmonized lines and take advantage of the weird sounding of them. Like Dexxxter you went for some "oriental" sounding in this first part using the augmented 2nds of the scale, nice resource. I think the obligation of using harmonized lines gave you a really accurate enviroment where you have to really nail the rhythms.

Part 2

Nice idea the triad work in that register. You've decided to move the things a little bit but the rhythm is always fitting
some pattern so it doesn't bother to have that movement in the lead.

Part 3


My favourite part of your solo is this one. I like the harmonizations of the first notes are really cool give to the line other feel, maybe you could keep that idea running a little longer not all the time but a re-use of that part into the solo
is a nice option. Then the tapping licks are really wild, the ideas are not bad but I'm sure you've noticed that using this
scale is really different to fit the regular tapping licks that we are used to.
The last part of the solo is really really funny, and I love that thing of your playing. You make a melody and then you take out a lot of the gain and becomes like a whispering hahaha, really really nice idea, is like saying good-bye in a really low voice.

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Well mate I don't see any problems in your playing the solo is great. Maybe the only comment could be that the harmonizations don't have to be abused (but that's just for me, I don't like lots of harmonizations in a solo). Although you managed really well and there are a few that I just loved like the starting one in the third part.

Outlaw

Part 1

Well mate, you start with some rhythmic idea and that is ok, you reapeat that idea through the whole part. I don't have a major problem with that but the rhythm is not precise, you have to work on that. The syncopation of the motive sometimes is ahead and sometimes behind. Work in that rhythm until is really in the right place everytime.

Part 2


One part of the difficulties of this collab was the selection of the notes. In this part you start with a tapping lick that
sounds a little harsh because you picked first on a augmented triad and second on a note that isn't into the scale that is supposed to be played on that part, the A is not part of the scale if you re-arrange the tapping in order to play the Ab (the note of the scale) the sound is no more an augmented triad and it sounds more pleasent to the ear. You come back again to the same triad and then go to another augmented triad. So the triad-tapping idea is great but the note choice is not, is a really harsh sounding because the harmony is implied in the keys and the voices, if there was just the guitar on the backing could pass maybe but you have to notice the harmony in the back that is asking for something else.

Part 3

This part I think is the one that is more improvised. The rhythm in many parts is very un-accurate. The tapping idea just before the end is nice but it doesn't lead to anything.

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I think that would be great if you work on some points:

-rhythm: practice always your ideas with a metronome and jam with some backing like a drum machine. Also would be great if you could write your ideas because that will give you a really precise placing of the rhythm and organice your mind.
-harmony: try to be aware of the harmony that is played on the bottom all the time so you won't have "wrong" notes.
-improvisation: work on the connection of your ideas, try to record and listen your improvisations and be aware of the
connections of them. The ideas are something that everybody has but the main problem in composition and improvisation is the connection between them.

Keep the good work!

Berko

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The first idea is a little un-accurate rhythm placing. The problem that I find in this first part is that you've managed to
include lots of techniques: tapping, tapping with slide, tremolo. slides, alternate picking, legato but is like the ideas
come from the technique and not from where they have to come. I know this is a new sound and that's why you have to pay attention to the rhythm and the note choice insted of the technique. Don't missunderstand me, you have some nice ideas in that first part but I know you can make it better.

Part 2

As many participants you've chosen not to make lot of movement in this part and that's ok. No major problems here.

Part 3

I think you have two cool things in this part: the open string lick and the tapping lick. Those ideas are the main thing to
develop here, but instead you took them like something that pass through. The open string idea is something that nobody came up and all the open strings (except the fifth) could fit into this scale.

General Comments

I think your playing is fine, the problem is not technical but something that it has to do with the time that you spent
playing the scale. Just give it some time to feel like it's the most normal thing in the world to play those notes and get
used to the augmented intervals.

Keep the good work!

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post Feb 28 2009, 01:43 AM
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Thanks for the challenging and fun collab... I appreciate all the work you put in this and I will work on the
things you mentioned... one thing i have to use more is the metronome, i have one that just sits there
staring at me... but i do use guitar pro alot and use the metronome on there with stuff i have to practice
on there

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post Feb 28 2009, 01:44 AM
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Hey Ramiro,

Thanks a lot for the comments. But there's one thing I don't get. What did you mean with my first lick? Is it played sloppy or is it rhytmically misplaced? Because I can't hear what's wrong when I listen to it sad.gif

Really nice backing and really fun to try something new, looking forward to the next collab smile.gif And I hope more will join/submit their takes unsure.gif

And Lian... GREAT TAKE! biggrin.gif
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post Feb 28 2009, 01:55 AM
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QUOTE (Outlaw2112 @ Feb 28 2009, 01:43 AM) *
Thanks for the challenging and fun collab... I appreciate all the work you put in this and I will work on the
things you mentioned... one thing i have to use more is the metronome, i have one that just sits there
staring at me... but i do use guitar pro alot and use the metronome on there with stuff i have to practice
on there

thanks again,

John

ps: you had to put me after lian cool.gif



Hahaha but I didn't mean to put you after Lian's take, like I've said the order is more random than other factors.

I'm really glad that you'll work on those things, I think you're in the good way and you work hard to improve your playing.


QUOTE (Dexxter @ Feb 28 2009, 01:44 AM) *
Hey Ramiro,

Thanks a lot for the comments. But there's one thing I don't get. What did you mean with my first lick? Is it played sloppy or is it rhytmically misplaced? Because I can't hear what's wrong when I listen to it sad.gif

Really nice backing and really fun to try something new, looking forward to the next collab smile.gif And I hope more will join/submit their takes unsure.gif

And Lian... GREAT TAKE! biggrin.gif


The few first notes are sloppy, I understand the phrase but I think that you could improve it to make it sound more clean and clear, that's all, is not a major thing.

Thanx for the compliments mate!
I'm really looking forward to make the second part of the Exotic Scales collab, but this time I think I'll post a thread where you all can tell me how many are going to join and maybe discuss a little about the direction of the collab.


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post Feb 28 2009, 02:04 AM
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Ramiro! Like Outlaw said, this was challenging, for me beyond my level, so I had to drop this one. Lo siento! A tiempo.


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QUOTE (Ramiro Delforte @ Feb 28 2009, 01:55 AM) *
The few first notes are sloppy, I understand the phrase but I think that you could improve it to make it sound more clean and clear, that's all, is not a major thing.


Ok, thanks, will keep working on keeping things clean smile.gif
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post Feb 28 2009, 03:07 AM
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QUOTE (Toroso @ Feb 28 2009, 02:04 AM) *
Ramiro! Like Outlaw said, this was challenging, for me beyond my level, so I had to drop this one. Lo siento! A tiempo.


It's ok mate, maybe in other occation you'll join us biggrin.gif


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Ramiro I am really sorry I couldnt participate even I said I was in. This great collab just crossed my busiest weeks of my life, and I assure you those train of events were unforseen. I just wanted to say that you have done a great job here, and I, certainly, want to join your next collaboration.

I am sorry and great job biggrin.gif

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Thanks Ramiro! This collab was a real eye-opener really... I mean that it proved I have some serious work to do with getting to know the fretboard better. I feel very comfortable with "normal scales" like Aeolian, Phrygian and Blues-scale, but when intervals between notes become more uneven, I was in trouble.
These scales was very hard for me to get a grip on, and something that needs practice.
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QUOTE (enforcer @ Feb 28 2009, 04:01 AM) *
Ramiro I am really sorry I couldnt participate even I said I was in. This great collab just crossed my busiest weeks of my life, and I assure you those train of events were unforseen. I just wanted to say that you have done a great job here, and I, certainly, want to join your next collaboration.

I am sorry and great job biggrin.gif

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Well, it's ok, although I thought you were going to make it because I give the 5 days extended deadline time that you asked but I understand that sometimes we have lots of things going on at the same time and we cannot manage them all.
So, I'm looking forward to make another Exotic Collab with other scales and maybe you'll join that one biggrin.gif

Thanx for the compliments wink.gif


QUOTE (ztevie @ Feb 28 2009, 05:13 AM) *
Thanks Ramiro! This collab was a real eye-opener really... I mean that it proved I have some serious work to do with getting to know the fretboard better. I feel very comfortable with "normal scales" like Aeolian, Phrygian and Blues-scale, but when intervals between notes become more uneven, I was in trouble.
These scales was very hard for me to get a grip on, and something that needs practice.
Thanks again!


I'm glad this collab helped you in anyway, I think I couldn't ask for anything else.


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well, I´m so happy about this collab, I´ve learned 3 new scales to add into my vocabulary, and I think I ´ve done a good work because of your comments wink.gif
yeah, I know about harmonizations, but you know! I was so alone with those freaky scales hahaha.
about 3º part, my first idea was to repeat that lick, but once I recorded it, it doesn´t like me, I don´t know why, so I decided to change it.

also, I found many problems in times to add tappings, because this scales changed my way to play completly. and I wanted to apply every note of each scale.


thanks for the awesome comments! biggrin.gif

also, I want to congrats to all participants. from my point of view this was one of the most difficult collabs on the site, because you can´t copy someone else style, or using licks from someone else.
you have done an exellent work here.!!!


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QUOTE (Lian Gerbino @ Feb 28 2009, 09:05 AM) *
well, I´m so happy about this collab, I´ve learned 3 new scales to add into my vocabulary, and I think I ´ve done a good work because of your comments wink.gif
yeah, I know about harmonizations, but you know! I was so alone with those freaky scales hahaha.
about 3º part, my first idea was to repeat that lick, but once I recorded it, it doesn´t like me, I don´t know why, so I decided to change it.

also, I found many problems in times to add tappings, because this scales changed my way to play completly. and I wanted to apply every note of each scale.


thanks for the awesome comments! biggrin.gif

also, I want to congrats to all participants. from my point of view this was one of the most difficult collabs on the site, because you can´t copy someone else style, or using licks from someone else.
you have done an exellent work here.!!!


You're welcome mate, but I think you know that in your case it was just only suggestions and not things to correct hehe.
I also forgot to say that yours has the best audio.

And just to add: I always want to work in 24 bits, it has more quality obviously, so I recommend to all of the participants that if you can record in 24 bits do it always because if the project is in that rate you don't have to change anything but if you have it in 16 bits when the program imports the audio is not the same. The weight of this collab is because I worked on 24 bits instead of 16. I thought that was something interesting because here we don't have to play it on a home hi-fi audio equipment and all PCs are prepared to play 24 bit audio and many of your on board PCs are prepared to record in that rate.
So for the nexts collabs (I speak for me, but I think everyone else won't bother) record in 24 bits. The high rate could be lowered but a lowered rate (16 bits) could not be raised up to 24.

*Note: I know that I didn't mention this on the principal thread that's why I make the comment now. I always work on 24 bits but I forgot to put it on the thread sad.gif


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Great collab and VERY interesting playing,
good job Ramiro and all others! smile.gif


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QUOTE (Muris Varajic @ Feb 28 2009, 06:15 PM) *
Great collab and VERY interesting playing,
good job Ramiro and all others! smile.gif


Thanx Muris biggrin.gif

QUOTE (Lian Gerbino @ Feb 28 2009, 06:20 PM) *
thanks again Ramiro biggrin.gif


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Very enjoyable and interesting mix. Great playing everyone.

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Great job everybody and cool comments Ram!!! I think that a Collab like this one is an excelent exercise to learn these new scales. smile.gif


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Thanx Gabe!!
Sure, I know that the collab helped the participants to assimilate these new sounds smile.gif


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