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post Mar 2 2009, 09:31 PM
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Outlaw.

Lets start at the bottom. And see where you start to get off track.

1. do you know the 12 note names? (list them if so)
2. do you know how to create the major scale if given the root note name? (for example, create G major)
3. do you know how to create the minor scale if given the root note name? for example, create D minor)
4. do you know the names of the 7 modes? And how they are related to each other? (Monte's chart)


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post Mar 2 2009, 09:34 PM
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QUOTE (jer @ Mar 2 2009, 09:31 PM) *
Outlaw.

Lets start at the bottom. And see where you start to get off track.

1. do you know the 12 note names? (list them if so)
2. do you know how to create the major scale if given the root note name? (for example, create G major)
3. do you know how to create the minor scale if given the root note name? for example, create D minor)
4. do you know the names of the 7 modes? And how they are related to each other? (Monte's chart)


1) no
2) no
3) no
4) no

guess im at the bottom... I can look it up and give you the answers, but i
dont know them off the top of my head


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post Mar 2 2009, 09:40 PM
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ok, yeah that will make this stuff melt your brain then. No worries. We're not that far ahead of you really.

I'm sure Monte has ideas for getting you up to speed here if you want. I'll let him take over.


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post Mar 2 2009, 09:48 PM
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QUOTE (Outlaw2112 @ Mar 2 2009, 03:34 PM) *
1) no
2) no
3) no
4) no

guess im at the bottom... I can look it up and give you the answers, but i
dont know them off the top of my head



Yea. Looking up will do you know good if you really want to understand it. Trust me I am a super noob with this stuff.
Its sorta starting to come together finally.


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post Mar 2 2009, 09:54 PM
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I can get you up to speed (to where what we are talking about as a group) if you and Monte think thats a good idea.

We know Monte can handle it of course, just offering if either of you think thats helpful.

We can do it in your thread or off to the side elsewhere. (assuming you want to learn this stuff of course)


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post Mar 2 2009, 09:55 PM
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QUOTE (jer @ Mar 2 2009, 03:54 PM) *
I can get you up to speed (to where what we are talking about as a group) if you and Monte think thats a good idea.

We know Monte can handle it of course, just offering if either of you think thats helpful.

We can do it in your thread or off to the side elsewhere. (assuming you want to learn this stuff of course)


Why dont you do that Jer. You have been monopolizing all of Monte's time with all of your questions in your thread. tongue.gif


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post Mar 2 2009, 09:59 PM
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ok.... thats it. The gloves are coming off!!!!!

smile.gif


I'm an inquisitive dude!

I'd like to help if I can. Get the sort of group study thing going on. We can all learn something from each other I'm sure. Sometimes teachers want it presented a particular way though. So I'd want Dr Stevens blessing.

Now shouldnt you be playing street fighter or something?

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post Mar 2 2009, 10:09 PM
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lmao!


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post Mar 2 2009, 10:10 PM
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Shhhhh! Here he comes.....




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post Mar 2 2009, 10:22 PM
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QUOTE (jer @ Mar 2 2009, 09:59 PM) *
ok.... thats it. The gloves are coming off!!!!!

smile.gif


I'm an inquisitive dude!

I'd like to help if I can. Get the sort of group study thing going on. We can all learn something from each other I'm sure. Sometimes teachers want it presented a particular way though. So I'd want Dr Stevens blessing.

Now shouldnt you be playing street fighter or something?

tongue.gif

Take over Jer and let me know if you need any help. smile.gif I think trying to teach somebody this stuff only forces you to understand it better and think about it in different ways.

For the record I would like to be referred to as Dr. now........NOT!!!!! laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif
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post Mar 2 2009, 10:25 PM
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Sure.

Oh and if you want to know where the novocaine went, ask Dan.



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post Mar 2 2009, 10:33 PM
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Alright,
Everybody shut up and Eyes to the front.....

KAZ!!!! TURN THAT DAMN BOX OFF AND PAY ATTENTION!!!! laugh.gif laugh.gif

So...Back to pentatonics.

Here is what I was wanting you guys to see.

ALL THE NOTES FOUND IN THE 3 MAJOR AND 3 MINOR PENTATONIC SCALES I HAD YOU SPELL OUT, ARE ALSO FOUND IN THE "A IONIAN" SCALE.

SO WE NOW HAVE 7 SCALE OPTIONS FOR SOLOING.....KIND OF.. laugh.gif laugh.gif

BEACAUSE...AND JER CORRECT ME IF I AM WRONG....

E MAJOR PENTATONIC=C#MINOR PENTATONIC
D MAJOR PENTATONIC=B MINOR PENTATONIC
A MAJOR PENTATONIC=F# MINOR PENTATONIC

So going back to our triads. If I am soloing Over a D major Chord in the Key of D Lydian..Like we are this month.
I can play licks using the D Lydian scale AND I an also use the D Major Pentatonic=B minor Pentatonic. Pretty cool Eh!!

So now for any diatonic chord progression we have basically four scale options available to us to use. In the case of
"A Major" we have:

A MAJOR
E MAJOR PENTATONIC=C#MINOR PENTATONIC
D MAJOR PENTATONIC=B MINOR PENTATONIC
A MAJOR PENTATONIC=F# MINOR PENTATONIC



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post Mar 2 2009, 10:46 PM
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QUOTE
In the case of
"A Major" we have:

A MAJOR
E MAJOR PENTATONIC=C#MINOR PENTATONIC
D MAJOR PENTATONIC=B MINOR PENTATONIC
A MAJOR PENTATONIC=F# MINOR PENTATONIC


I came to this thread a bit late. But I have read it. smile.gif

Question. If we are using a progression in A major

I understand why we can use these:

Amaj
Amaj pentatonic
F#min pentatonic (relative minor)

Where did these come from though?

C#MINOR PENTATONIC
D MAJOR PENTATONIC
B MINOR PENTATONIC

I understand that Bmin is relative to Dmajor... What is the relation of Dmaj and C#min to Amajor though?

And if we can use F#min pentatonic, cant we use F#min too?


I understand they have the same notes. So that means they will work. Is there any relation though? (like the relative minor thing) or is it just happenstance?


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post Mar 2 2009, 11:03 PM
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E MAJOR PENTATONIC=C#MINOR PENTATONIC
D MAJOR PENTATONIC=B MINOR PENTATONIC
A MAJOR PENTATONIC=F# MINOR PENTATONIC


All relative minors of each other AND the roots of all of those scales are found in "A Major".


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post Mar 2 2009, 11:14 PM
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nothing like always the IV and V or anything like that? (I think that may be true looking at the chart. pentatonic maj versions of the IV and V)

Why not F#min (F#Aeolian)?

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post Mar 2 2009, 11:21 PM
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QUOTE (jer @ Mar 2 2009, 11:14 PM) *
nothing like always the IV and V or anything like that? (I think that may be true looking at the chart. pentatonic maj versions of the IV and V)

Why not F#min (F#Aeolian)?

Same notes as A Ionian. I don't include it because it is the same box shapes in the same positions as A IONIAN. The pentatonics use the same shapes but they are in different positions so it give you alot of options, but your thinking was correct.

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post Mar 2 2009, 11:29 PM
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What about that part?

QUOTE
nothing like always the IV and V or anything like that? (I think that may be true looking at the chart. pentatonic maj versions of the IV and V)


Cool, It seems thats true across the board.

If you are playing in any major key, (Ionian) you can use pentatonics based on the IV and V note of the key you are in.

Amaj = D & E maj pentatonics
Bbmaj = Eb & F maj pentatonics
Cmaj = F & G maj pentatonics
Dbmaj = Gb & Ab maj pentatonics

etc......

Just one more use of the cool chart!!!


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QUOTE (jer @ Mar 2 2009, 11:29 PM) *
What about that part?



Cool, It seems thats true across the board.

If you are playing in any major key, (Ionian) you can use pentatonics based on the IV and V note of the key you are in.

Amaj = D & E maj pentatonics
Bbmaj = Eb & F maj pentatonics
Cmaj = F & G maj pentatonics
Dbmaj = Gb & Ab maj pentatonics

etc......

Just one more use of the cool chart!!!


It's all about options!! Now if you have a cool lick that you like to run in the first pentatonic box but you don't like where it is situated on the neck for the key you are in, You got two other options!!!

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General Pentatonic Question

Is is always true that the pentatonic major scale is the same as the major but no 4th or 7th?

General Pentatonic Question 2

Is is always true that the pentatonic minor scale is the same as the minor but no 2nd or 6th?


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QUOTE (jer @ Mar 3 2009, 10:42 PM) *
General Pentatonic Question

Is is always true that the pentatonic major scale is the same as the major but no 4th or 7th?

General Pentatonic Question 2

Is is always true that the pentatonic minor scale is the same as the minor but no 2nd or 6th?

Write out the A Ionian labeling A as the I

Write out A major pentatonic using A as the I

Write out F# Aeolian using F# as the I

Write out F# minor pentatonic using F# as the I


Do that and we'll continue...... smile.gif
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