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jer View Member Profile	Mar 2 2009, 09:31 PM
Mar 2 2009, 09:31 PM	GMC:er Posts: 1.889 Joined: 3-September 08 From: Des Moines IA USA	Outlaw. Lets start at the bottom. And see where you start to get off track. 1. do you know the 12 note names? (list them if so) 2. do you know how to create the major scale if given the root note name? (for example, create G major) 3. do you know how to create the minor scale if given the root note name? for example, create D minor) 4. do you know the names of the 7 modes? And how they are related to each other? (Monte's chart) You are at GuitarMasterClass.net Don't miss today's free lick. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! Don't miss today's free blues, jazz & country licks. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! -------------------- My Gear Jackson SL-1 USA Soloist Jackson DK2M ESP LTD MH-400 ESP LTD EC-1000 Ibanez Custom S-Series Martin 001 Acoustic Handmade Marshall JCM800 50watt head (with mods) Carvin 50x2 Stereo Tube Amp Boss GT-10 Preamp/Effects Processor Digitech GSP-1101 Preamp/Effects Processor Behringer FCB1010 Midi Controlled Floorboard Behringer Dualfex EX2200 Behinger Stereo EQ Line 6 POD with 2.3 upgrade Line 6 Floor Board Line 6 Spider III Practice Amp Nady UHF Wireless *"Who will eat the decay, when the worms have lost their sight?"*

Outlaw2112 View Member Profile	Mar 2 2009, 09:34 PM
Mar 2 2009, 09:34 PM	GMC:er Posts: 1.881 Joined: 16-January 08 From: Washington DC	QUOTE (jer @ Mar 2 2009, 09:31 PM) Outlaw. Lets start at the bottom. And see where you start to get off track. 1. do you know the 12 note names? (list them if so) 2. do you know how to create the major scale if given the root note name? (for example, create G major) 3. do you know how to create the minor scale if given the root note name? for example, create D minor) 4. do you know the names of the 7 modes? And how they are related to each other? (Monte's chart) 1) no 2) no 3) no 4) no guess im at the bottom... I can look it up and give you the answers, but i dont know them off the top of my head You are at GuitarMasterClass.net Don't miss today's free lick. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! Don't miss today's free blues, jazz & country licks. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! --------------------

jer View Member Profile	Mar 2 2009, 09:40 PM
Mar 2 2009, 09:40 PM	GMC:er Posts: 1.889 Joined: 3-September 08 From: Des Moines IA USA	ok, yeah that will make this stuff melt your brain then. No worries. We're not that far ahead of you really. I'm sure Monte has ideas for getting you up to speed here if you want. I'll let him take over. You are at GuitarMasterClass.net Don't miss today's free lick. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! Don't miss today's free blues, jazz & country licks. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! -------------------- My Gear Jackson SL-1 USA Soloist Jackson DK2M ESP LTD MH-400 ESP LTD EC-1000 Ibanez Custom S-Series Martin 001 Acoustic Handmade Marshall JCM800 50watt head (with mods) Carvin 50x2 Stereo Tube Amp Boss GT-10 Preamp/Effects Processor Digitech GSP-1101 Preamp/Effects Processor Behringer FCB1010 Midi Controlled Floorboard Behringer Dualfex EX2200 Behinger Stereo EQ Line 6 POD with 2.3 upgrade Line 6 Floor Board Line 6 Spider III Practice Amp Nady UHF Wireless *"Who will eat the decay, when the worms have lost their sight?"*

opeth.db View Member Profile	Mar 2 2009, 09:48 PM
Mar 2 2009, 09:48 PM	Learning Apprentice Player Posts: 1.156 Joined: 11-September 08 From: Cleveland, Ohio	QUOTE (Outlaw2112 @ Mar 2 2009, 03:34 PM) 1) no 2) no 3) no 4) no guess im at the bottom... I can look it up and give you the answers, but i dont know them off the top of my head Yea. Looking up will do you know good if you really want to understand it. Trust me I am a super noob with this stuff. Its sorta starting to come together finally. You are at GuitarMasterClass.net Don't miss today's free lick. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! Don't miss today's free blues, jazz & country licks. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! -------------------- My Gear Ibanez RG570 Silver Jackson Ofset V Randy Rhodes Signature Mitchell Acoustic Custom Ibanez S series (Currently working on) X2 XDS95 Digital Wireless system Line 6 MKII 8 Channel USB Roland Mixer My Site www.shredwork.com Learn how to count. It's what separates the hack and the pros IMHO. -LCSDDS

jer View Member Profile	Mar 2 2009, 09:54 PM
Mar 2 2009, 09:54 PM	GMC:er Posts: 1.889 Joined: 3-September 08 From: Des Moines IA USA	I can get you up to speed (to where what we are talking about as a group) if you and Monte think thats a good idea. We know Monte can handle it of course, just offering if either of you think thats helpful. We can do it in your thread or off to the side elsewhere. (assuming you want to learn this stuff of course) You are at GuitarMasterClass.net Don't miss today's free lick. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! Don't miss today's free blues, jazz & country licks. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! -------------------- My Gear Jackson SL-1 USA Soloist Jackson DK2M ESP LTD MH-400 ESP LTD EC-1000 Ibanez Custom S-Series Martin 001 Acoustic Handmade Marshall JCM800 50watt head (with mods) Carvin 50x2 Stereo Tube Amp Boss GT-10 Preamp/Effects Processor Digitech GSP-1101 Preamp/Effects Processor Behringer FCB1010 Midi Controlled Floorboard Behringer Dualfex EX2200 Behinger Stereo EQ Line 6 POD with 2.3 upgrade Line 6 Floor Board Line 6 Spider III Practice Amp Nady UHF Wireless *"Who will eat the decay, when the worms have lost their sight?"*

opeth.db View Member Profile	Mar 2 2009, 09:55 PM
Mar 2 2009, 09:55 PM	Learning Apprentice Player Posts: 1.156 Joined: 11-September 08 From: Cleveland, Ohio	QUOTE (jer @ Mar 2 2009, 03:54 PM) I can get you up to speed (to where what we are talking about as a group) if you and Monte think thats a good idea. We know Monte can handle it of course, just offering if either of you think thats helpful. We can do it in your thread or off to the side elsewhere. (assuming you want to learn this stuff of course) Why dont you do that Jer. You have been monopolizing all of Monte's time with all of your questions in your thread. You are at GuitarMasterClass.net Don't miss today's free lick. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! Don't miss today's free blues, jazz & country licks. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! -------------------- My Gear Ibanez RG570 Silver Jackson Ofset V Randy Rhodes Signature Mitchell Acoustic Custom Ibanez S series (Currently working on) X2 XDS95 Digital Wireless system Line 6 MKII 8 Channel USB Roland Mixer My Site www.shredwork.com Learn how to count. It's what separates the hack and the pros IMHO. -LCSDDS

jer View Member Profile	Mar 2 2009, 09:59 PM
Mar 2 2009, 09:59 PM	GMC:er Posts: 1.889 Joined: 3-September 08 From: Des Moines IA USA	ok.... thats it. The gloves are coming off!!!!! I'm an inquisitive dude! I'd like to help if I can. Get the sort of group study thing going on. We can all learn something from each other I'm sure. Sometimes teachers want it presented a particular way though. So I'd want Dr Stevens blessing. Now shouldnt you be playing street fighter or something? You are at GuitarMasterClass.net Don't miss today's free lick. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! Don't miss today's free blues, jazz & country licks. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! -------------------- My Gear Jackson SL-1 USA Soloist Jackson DK2M ESP LTD MH-400 ESP LTD EC-1000 Ibanez Custom S-Series Martin 001 Acoustic Handmade Marshall JCM800 50watt head (with mods) Carvin 50x2 Stereo Tube Amp Boss GT-10 Preamp/Effects Processor Digitech GSP-1101 Preamp/Effects Processor Behringer FCB1010 Midi Controlled Floorboard Behringer Dualfex EX2200 Behinger Stereo EQ Line 6 POD with 2.3 upgrade Line 6 Floor Board Line 6 Spider III Practice Amp Nady UHF Wireless *"Who will eat the decay, when the worms have lost their sight?"*

opeth.db View Member Profile	Mar 2 2009, 10:09 PM
Mar 2 2009, 10:09 PM	Learning Apprentice Player Posts: 1.156 Joined: 11-September 08 From: Cleveland, Ohio	lmao! You are at GuitarMasterClass.net Don't miss today's free lick. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! Don't miss today's free blues, jazz & country licks. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! -------------------- My Gear Ibanez RG570 Silver Jackson Ofset V Randy Rhodes Signature Mitchell Acoustic Custom Ibanez S series (Currently working on) X2 XDS95 Digital Wireless system Line 6 MKII 8 Channel USB Roland Mixer My Site www.shredwork.com Learn how to count. It's what separates the hack and the pros IMHO. -LCSDDS

jer View Member Profile	Mar 2 2009, 10:10 PM
Mar 2 2009, 10:10 PM	GMC:er Posts: 1.889 Joined: 3-September 08 From: Des Moines IA USA	Shhhhh! Here he comes..... You are at GuitarMasterClass.net Don't miss today's free lick. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! Don't miss today's free blues, jazz & country licks. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! -------------------- My Gear Jackson SL-1 USA Soloist Jackson DK2M ESP LTD MH-400 ESP LTD EC-1000 Ibanez Custom S-Series Martin 001 Acoustic Handmade Marshall JCM800 50watt head (with mods) Carvin 50x2 Stereo Tube Amp Boss GT-10 Preamp/Effects Processor Digitech GSP-1101 Preamp/Effects Processor Behringer FCB1010 Midi Controlled Floorboard Behringer Dualfex EX2200 Behinger Stereo EQ Line 6 POD with 2.3 upgrade Line 6 Floor Board Line 6 Spider III Practice Amp Nady UHF Wireless *"Who will eat the decay, when the worms have lost their sight?"*

lcsdds View Member Profile	Mar 2 2009, 10:22 PM
Mar 2 2009, 10:22 PM	Learning Tone Seeker Posts: 2.054 Joined: 2-September 08	QUOTE (jer @ Mar 2 2009, 09:59 PM) ok.... thats it. The gloves are coming off!!!!! I'm an inquisitive dude! I'd like to help if I can. Get the sort of group study thing going on. We can all learn something from each other I'm sure. Sometimes teachers want it presented a particular way though. So I'd want Dr Stevens blessing. Now shouldnt you be playing street fighter or something? Take over Jer and let me know if you need any help. I think trying to teach somebody this stuff only forces you to understand it better and think about it in different ways. For the record I would like to be referred to as Dr. now........NOT!!!!! You are at GuitarMasterClass.net Don't miss today's free lick. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! Don't miss today's free blues, jazz & country licks. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content!

jer View Member Profile	Mar 2 2009, 10:25 PM
Mar 2 2009, 10:25 PM	GMC:er Posts: 1.889 Joined: 3-September 08 From: Des Moines IA USA	Sure. Oh and if you want to know where the novocaine went, ask Dan. You are at GuitarMasterClass.net Don't miss today's free lick. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! Don't miss today's free blues, jazz & country licks. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! -------------------- My Gear Jackson SL-1 USA Soloist Jackson DK2M ESP LTD MH-400 ESP LTD EC-1000 Ibanez Custom S-Series Martin 001 Acoustic Handmade Marshall JCM800 50watt head (with mods) Carvin 50x2 Stereo Tube Amp Boss GT-10 Preamp/Effects Processor Digitech GSP-1101 Preamp/Effects Processor Behringer FCB1010 Midi Controlled Floorboard Behringer Dualfex EX2200 Behinger Stereo EQ Line 6 POD with 2.3 upgrade Line 6 Floor Board Line 6 Spider III Practice Amp Nady UHF Wireless *"Who will eat the decay, when the worms have lost their sight?"*

lcsdds View Member Profile	Mar 2 2009, 10:33 PM
Mar 2 2009, 10:33 PM	Learning Tone Seeker Posts: 2.054 Joined: 2-September 08	Alright, Everybody shut up and Eyes to the front..... KAZ!!!! TURN THAT DAMN BOX OFF AND PAY ATTENTION!!!! So...Back to pentatonics. Here is what I was wanting you guys to see. ALL THE NOTES FOUND IN THE 3 MAJOR AND 3 MINOR PENTATONIC SCALES I HAD YOU SPELL OUT, ARE ALSO FOUND IN THE "A IONIAN" SCALE. SO WE NOW HAVE 7 SCALE OPTIONS FOR SOLOING.....KIND OF.. BEACAUSE...AND JER CORRECT ME IF I AM WRONG.... E MAJOR PENTATONIC=C#MINOR PENTATONIC D MAJOR PENTATONIC=B MINOR PENTATONIC A MAJOR PENTATONIC=F# MINOR PENTATONIC So going back to our triads. If I am soloing Over a D major Chord in the Key of D Lydian..Like we are this month. I can play licks using the D Lydian scale AND I an also use the D Major Pentatonic=B minor Pentatonic. Pretty cool Eh!! So now for any diatonic chord progression we have basically four scale options available to us to use. In the case of "A Major" we have: A MAJOR E MAJOR PENTATONIC=C#MINOR PENTATONIC D MAJOR PENTATONIC=B MINOR PENTATONIC A MAJOR PENTATONIC=F# MINOR PENTATONIC Did I lose anybody? You are at GuitarMasterClass.net Don't miss today's free lick. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! Don't miss today's free blues, jazz & country licks. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! This post has been edited by lcsdds: Mar 2 2009, 10:34 PM

jer View Member Profile	Mar 2 2009, 10:46 PM
Mar 2 2009, 10:46 PM	GMC:er Posts: 1.889 Joined: 3-September 08 From: Des Moines IA USA	QUOTE In the case of "A Major" we have: A MAJOR E MAJOR PENTATONIC=C#MINOR PENTATONIC D MAJOR PENTATONIC=B MINOR PENTATONIC A MAJOR PENTATONIC=F# MINOR PENTATONIC I came to this thread a bit late. But I have read it. Question. If we are using a progression in A major I understand why we can use these: Amaj Amaj pentatonic F#min pentatonic (relative minor) Where did these come from though? C#MINOR PENTATONIC D MAJOR PENTATONIC B MINOR PENTATONIC I understand that Bmin is relative to Dmajor... What is the relation of Dmaj and C#min to Amajor though? And if we can use F#min pentatonic, cant we use F#min too? I understand they have the same notes. So that means they will work. Is there any relation though? (like the relative minor thing) or is it just happenstance? You are at GuitarMasterClass.net Don't miss today's free lick. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! Don't miss today's free blues, jazz & country licks. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! -------------------- My Gear Jackson SL-1 USA Soloist Jackson DK2M ESP LTD MH-400 ESP LTD EC-1000 Ibanez Custom S-Series Martin 001 Acoustic Handmade Marshall JCM800 50watt head (with mods) Carvin 50x2 Stereo Tube Amp Boss GT-10 Preamp/Effects Processor Digitech GSP-1101 Preamp/Effects Processor Behringer FCB1010 Midi Controlled Floorboard Behringer Dualfex EX2200 Behinger Stereo EQ Line 6 POD with 2.3 upgrade Line 6 Floor Board Line 6 Spider III Practice Amp Nady UHF Wireless *"Who will eat the decay, when the worms have lost their sight?"*

lcsdds View Member Profile	Mar 2 2009, 11:03 PM
Mar 2 2009, 11:03 PM	Learning Tone Seeker Posts: 2.054 Joined: 2-September 08	E MAJOR PENTATONIC=C#MINOR PENTATONIC D MAJOR PENTATONIC=B MINOR PENTATONIC A MAJOR PENTATONIC=F# MINOR PENTATONIC All relative minors of each other AND the roots of all of those scales are found in "A Major". \m/\m/ You are at GuitarMasterClass.net Don't miss today's free lick. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! Don't miss today's free blues, jazz & country licks. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! This post has been edited by lcsdds: Mar 2 2009, 11:04 PM

jer View Member Profile	Mar 2 2009, 11:14 PM
Mar 2 2009, 11:14 PM	GMC:er Posts: 1.889 Joined: 3-September 08 From: Des Moines IA USA	nothing like always the IV and V or anything like that? (I think that may be true looking at the chart. pentatonic maj versions of the IV and V) Why not F#min (F#Aeolian)? You are at GuitarMasterClass.net Don't miss today's free lick. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! Don't miss today's free blues, jazz & country licks. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! This post has been edited by jer: Mar 2 2009, 11:17 PM -------------------- My Gear Jackson SL-1 USA Soloist Jackson DK2M ESP LTD MH-400 ESP LTD EC-1000 Ibanez Custom S-Series Martin 001 Acoustic Handmade Marshall JCM800 50watt head (with mods) Carvin 50x2 Stereo Tube Amp Boss GT-10 Preamp/Effects Processor Digitech GSP-1101 Preamp/Effects Processor Behringer FCB1010 Midi Controlled Floorboard Behringer Dualfex EX2200 Behinger Stereo EQ Line 6 POD with 2.3 upgrade Line 6 Floor Board Line 6 Spider III Practice Amp Nady UHF Wireless *"Who will eat the decay, when the worms have lost their sight?"*

lcsdds View Member Profile	Mar 2 2009, 11:21 PM
Mar 2 2009, 11:21 PM	Learning Tone Seeker Posts: 2.054 Joined: 2-September 08	QUOTE (jer @ Mar 2 2009, 11:14 PM) nothing like always the IV and V or anything like that? (I think that may be true looking at the chart. pentatonic maj versions of the IV and V) Why not F#min (F#Aeolian)? Same notes as A Ionian. I don't include it because it is the same box shapes in the same positions as A IONIAN. The pentatonics use the same shapes but they are in different positions so it give you alot of options, but your thinking was correct. \m/\m/ You are at GuitarMasterClass.net Don't miss today's free lick. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! Don't miss today's free blues, jazz & country licks. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content!

jer View Member Profile	Mar 2 2009, 11:29 PM
Mar 2 2009, 11:29 PM	GMC:er Posts: 1.889 Joined: 3-September 08 From: Des Moines IA USA	What about that part? QUOTE nothing like always the IV and V or anything like that? (I think that may be true looking at the chart. pentatonic maj versions of the IV and V) Cool, It seems thats true across the board. If you are playing in any major key, (Ionian) you can use pentatonics based on the IV and V note of the key you are in. Amaj = D & E maj pentatonics Bbmaj = Eb & F maj pentatonics Cmaj = F & G maj pentatonics Dbmaj = Gb & Ab maj pentatonics etc...... Just one more use of the cool chart!!! You are at GuitarMasterClass.net Don't miss today's free lick. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! Don't miss today's free blues, jazz & country licks. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! -------------------- My Gear Jackson SL-1 USA Soloist Jackson DK2M ESP LTD MH-400 ESP LTD EC-1000 Ibanez Custom S-Series Martin 001 Acoustic Handmade Marshall JCM800 50watt head (with mods) Carvin 50x2 Stereo Tube Amp Boss GT-10 Preamp/Effects Processor Digitech GSP-1101 Preamp/Effects Processor Behringer FCB1010 Midi Controlled Floorboard Behringer Dualfex EX2200 Behinger Stereo EQ Line 6 POD with 2.3 upgrade Line 6 Floor Board Line 6 Spider III Practice Amp Nady UHF Wireless *"Who will eat the decay, when the worms have lost their sight?"*

lcsdds View Member Profile	Mar 2 2009, 11:45 PM
Mar 2 2009, 11:45 PM	Learning Tone Seeker Posts: 2.054 Joined: 2-September 08	QUOTE (jer @ Mar 2 2009, 11:29 PM) What about that part? Cool, It seems thats true across the board. If you are playing in any major key, (Ionian) you can use pentatonics based on the IV and V note of the key you are in. Amaj = D & E maj pentatonics Bbmaj = Eb & F maj pentatonics Cmaj = F & G maj pentatonics Dbmaj = Gb & Ab maj pentatonics etc...... Just one more use of the cool chart!!! It's all about options!! Now if you have a cool lick that you like to run in the first pentatonic box but you don't like where it is situated on the neck for the key you are in, You got two other options!!! \m/\m/ You are at GuitarMasterClass.net Don't miss today's free lick. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! Don't miss today's free blues, jazz & country licks. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content!

jer View Member Profile	Mar 3 2009, 10:42 PM
Mar 3 2009, 10:42 PM	GMC:er Posts: 1.889 Joined: 3-September 08 From: Des Moines IA USA	General Pentatonic Question Is is always true that the pentatonic major scale is the same as the major but no 4th or 7th? General Pentatonic Question 2 Is is always true that the pentatonic minor scale is the same as the minor but no 2nd or 6th? You are at GuitarMasterClass.net Don't miss today's free lick. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! Don't miss today's free blues, jazz & country licks. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! -------------------- My Gear Jackson SL-1 USA Soloist Jackson DK2M ESP LTD MH-400 ESP LTD EC-1000 Ibanez Custom S-Series Martin 001 Acoustic Handmade Marshall JCM800 50watt head (with mods) Carvin 50x2 Stereo Tube Amp Boss GT-10 Preamp/Effects Processor Digitech GSP-1101 Preamp/Effects Processor Behringer FCB1010 Midi Controlled Floorboard Behringer Dualfex EX2200 Behinger Stereo EQ Line 6 POD with 2.3 upgrade Line 6 Floor Board Line 6 Spider III Practice Amp Nady UHF Wireless *"Who will eat the decay, when the worms have lost their sight?"*

lcsdds View Member Profile	Mar 3 2009, 11:06 PM
Mar 3 2009, 11:06 PM	Learning Tone Seeker Posts: 2.054 Joined: 2-September 08	QUOTE (jer @ Mar 3 2009, 10:42 PM) General Pentatonic Question Is is always true that the pentatonic major scale is the same as the major but no 4th or 7th? General Pentatonic Question 2 Is is always true that the pentatonic minor scale is the same as the minor but no 2nd or 6th? Write out the A Ionian labeling A as the I Write out A major pentatonic using A as the I Write out F# Aeolian using F# as the I Write out F# minor pentatonic using F# as the I Do that and we'll continue...... You are at GuitarMasterClass.net Don't miss today's free lick. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! Don't miss today's free blues, jazz & country licks. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content!

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