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vampire18
post Mar 2 2009, 07:56 PM
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when i do like a 3 nps scale. going down(from low e to high e) i do on first string down up down and then how am i supposed to go to the next string continue the down(economy) or up because i just did down?
i know both are legit but what would you recommend and why
(instinctively im doing it the economy way)


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post Mar 2 2009, 08:01 PM
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If you mean alternate picking, then I think you should do it always up and down and up and down... regardless of what you play.

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i strongly reccomend that you variate, it will help you in the future. during warmups, start off doing normal pattern alt picking. Then for a second workout, do the economy picking. Just remember to focus on what you are doing becuase it is very easy to make mistakes and not know it which will lead to bad habits later on. Think of it as a picking working smile.gif

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post Mar 2 2009, 08:15 PM
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i have another question instead of opening another thread.
if you i do like a 1 2 4 2 1 2 4 2 1 2 4 2 1(finger pattern on the same string over and over again fast picking)
should i jsut leave my first finger pressing? i mean it can make it moer speedy and make it easier on the other fingers because the string is already low


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post Mar 2 2009, 08:47 PM
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Basically, both are fine.

Which one to use - depends on what you want to play: economy picking is more fluid, more legato-like, best used when playing linear scale passages with an odd number of notes per string, while alternate sounds a bit more aggressive, has a multiple purpose application, for playing linear and non-linear scale passages, or when playing an even number of notes per string (chromatic, pentatonic); as well as string skipping, etc.

It would be best if you master both alternate and economy picking, so that you can combine them. That way you can find the most practical and best sounding way to play anything.

These are some basics on the two main ways of picking. smile.gif


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post Mar 2 2009, 08:51 PM
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QUOTE (vampire18 @ Mar 2 2009, 08:15 PM) *
i have another question instead of opening another thread.
if you i do like a 1 2 4 2 1 2 4 2 1 2 4 2 1(finger pattern on the same string over and over again fast picking)
should i jsut leave my first finger pressing? i mean it can make it moer speedy and make it easier on the other fingers because the string is already low


It's totally up to you. For me (personally) lifting the index finger up is easier. I synchronized my fingers and my picking hand that at every pick I do a fretting motion. If you don't lift your index finger then it can be more difficult to sync your hand.

either way, be careful not to tense up your fretting hand by anxiously pressing the index finger on the fingerboard


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QUOTE (vampire18 @ Mar 2 2009, 09:15 PM) *
i have another question instead of opening another thread.
if you i do like a 1 2 4 2 1 2 4 2 1 2 4 2 1(finger pattern on the same string over and over again fast picking)
should i jsut leave my first finger pressing? i mean it can make it moer speedy and make it easier on the other fingers because the string is already low


Best is what are you comfortable with, as long as it is precise. smile.gif


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post Mar 2 2009, 10:20 PM
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QUOTE (vampire18 @ Mar 2 2009, 06:56 PM) *
when i do like a 3 nps scale. going down(from low e to high e) i do on first string down up down and then how am i supposed to go to the next string continue the down(economy) or up because i just did down?
i know both are legit but what would you recommend and why
(instinctively im doing it the economy way)


If you start with a down stroke on the low E you must always follow the down up motion even when you change string. In the scenario your describe you simply pick an up stroke when you move down to the A string. As you move from the A to the D you hit the D with a down stroke.

Take some time to work out in your mind how you are going to move from string to string and make sure you practice with a metronome to keep things even.

That is of course if you wish to be alternate picking (which I would advise for the 3nps scale patterns). smile.gif


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post Mar 2 2009, 10:24 PM
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Both techniques are good to use, they have different sound to them. Alternate sounds more even, and rough, like a machine gun, while economy sounds a bit smoother, but uneven. This however depends on other factors as well, so I think if you find a way that gives you best results, by all means use it and develop it. The only thing that matters is the end result - the tone. If you have a proper tone, it doesn't really matter if you play AP or EP. I suggest developing both - it can do only good.


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post Mar 2 2009, 10:28 PM
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i understand what you are saying it just doesnt feel logical nore making any sense that i would do after a downstroke al the way over the next string to do an upstroke on the second string. it seems like a wasted movement plus it makes each time you drop a string different than the last time. just sliding my hand to the next string in a sweep movement makes more sense. thogh maybe if i need a more aggresive sound i can do it the alternate way i never noticed the difference but now that i think of it its there.
and about the finger i decided not to keep it on so i dont strane my hand more than needed and also it screws up the syncronization. i just saw that speed record thing on the guitar in youtube and he keeps his finger on all the time.


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post Mar 2 2009, 10:40 PM
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Well I see what you are saying and as a beginner I too wondered what all the fuss about alternate picking is. It’s sometimes very easy when you start out with guitar to over analyse why things are done a certain way (which is by no means a bad thing).

All the pros seem to be alternate picking, so I just accepted it was the way to go. Today its the only picking I know and once you have been doing it a while and the technique becomes ingrained in your playing it makes so much sense!

It is incredibly efficient for fast picking, you simply could not economy pick a highly technical piece because it wouldn’t sound right and it would be hard hard work. Different picking styles produce very different sounds. smile.gif

For example Paul Gilbert alternate picks arpeggios, and Rusty cooley sweep picks them. Neither is right or wrong but they are very different sounding and at the end of the day which ever style you wish to concentrate on must match the kind of music you are playing.

With regards to synchronisation, that comes with many hours of hard practice at a tempo where you can play clean (e.g not hitting the strings).

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QUOTE (vampire18 @ Mar 2 2009, 08:15 PM) *
i have another question instead of opening another thread.
if you i do like a 1 2 4 2 1 2 4 2 1 2 4 2 1(finger pattern on the same string over and over again fast picking)
should i jsut leave my first finger pressing? i mean it can make it moer speedy and make it easier on the other fingers because the string is already low


I think we had THE SAME question not so long ago in forum. smile.gif

Anyhow, imo you can keep it pressed or slightly release it
to get better feel of rhythmic pulse.


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