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post Mar 3 2009, 01:44 PM
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Alright, Jer, Opeth and Marek are gonna be working together on Muris's Lydian serial. Post all your questions and takes here.

I'm gonna be asking you guys questions from time to time about this lesson as well. smile.gif

I'll post the tab that I want you to work off of here in this thread.

Thanks for the Serial Muris!! smile.gif

Let's ROCK!! \m/\m/

Stay Tuned......

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post Mar 3 2009, 02:34 PM
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Here is the tab I want you to work off of. You'll notice I've broken it up into 5 licks and I've specified which bars comprise the licks.


Go ahead and download the tab and check it out, and I'll give more instructions later on today. smile.gif
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post Mar 3 2009, 03:20 PM
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Alright guys let's get started. I'm gonna learn this lesson and upload my takes along with you guys. smile.gif

First thing we need to do is to make sure that Muris glasses are working and he didn't screw up reading the chart I gave him to figure out how to write a Lydian Chord progression and write this lesson as an Ionian lesson instead of a Lydian lesson. laugh.gif laugh.gif

According to Muris he starts out in E Lydian and then changes keys to Bb Lydian and then goes back to E Lydian. Hmmm...We shall see!!! laugh.gif laugh.gif

Jer you are responsible for analyzing E Lydian and making sure the chords that Muris is using are indeed E Lydian. Make sure you let us know why you came to that conclusion. smile.gif smile.gif

Dan you are responsible for doing the same thing with Bb Lydian.

Marek I want you to figure out the triads found in both Bb and E lydian so we can check Jer and Dan's work.

I got a revised chart for you guys to work off of so download it if you want it.

After we do this I'll give you guys further instructions on how we are gonna break this lesson down.

Get to work!!! wink.gif smile.gif

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post Mar 3 2009, 04:00 PM
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*gets out red pen* eyeballs Muris suspiciously......


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Jer you are responsible for analyzing E Lydian and making sure the chords that Muris is using are indeed E Lydian. Make sure you let us know why you came to that conclusion.


The chords of E Lydian are as follows.

Emaj E, G#, B
F#maj F#, A#, C#
G#min G#, B, D#
A#dim A#, C#, E
Bmaj B, D#, F#
C#min C#, E, G#
D#min D#, F#, A#

The ones that give it its Lydian-ness are F#maj, A#dim, and D#min. Due to that A#. A Ionian uses A instead of A#.

Lets go to the video and see if he mindshis P's and Q's.....

Be right back.

Ummm....... which video am I looking at?

Got a link?


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post Mar 3 2009, 04:21 PM
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QUOTE (jer @ Mar 3 2009, 04:00 PM) *
*gets out red pen* eyeballs Muris suspiciously......




The chords of E Lydian are as follows.

Emaj E, G#, B
F#maj F#, A#, C#
G#min G#, B, D#
A#dim A#, C#, E
Bmaj B, D#, F#
C#min C#, E, G#
D#min D#, F#, A#

The ones that give it its Lydian-ness are F#maj, A#dim, and D#min. Due to that A#. A Ionian uses A instead of A#.

Lets go to the video and see if he mindshis P's and Q's.....

Be right back.

Ummm....... which video am I looking at?

Got a link?



https://www.guitarmasterclass.net/solo-guit...asing-beginner/

Good Job Jer!!! \m/\m/

I gotta say...You are A LOT smarter than Dan told me you were.... laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif
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post Mar 3 2009, 04:40 PM
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Hmmm....

Here are the chords he's using. (from the tab or the video itself)

E
E+11
F#/E
F#
Bb
Bb+11
C/Bb

Ummm...... Well..... F# is in our list. Its good. 6 left.

E
E+11
F#/E
Bb
Bb+11
C/Bb

E is good too. 5 left.

E+11
F#/E
Bb
Bb+11
C/Bb

Not sure what F#/E is but if F# and E were ok then I'm assuming its alright too. 4 left.

E+11
Bb
Bb+11
C/Bb

Now, these chords I have a problem with.

"E+11" Adding the 11 (A) to E isnt jiving. E Lydian has A# in it. Not A. What gives Muris?

"Bb" and "C/Bb" There is no Bb note in E Lydian or E Ionian.... No C neither. Muris, I'm going to have to ask you to sit in this dental chair a second. Nurse, get my pliers.

Oh wait a second here.... In the lesson notes:

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So we start in E Lydian, modulate into Bb Lydian and go back to E Lydian.


Bb Lydian you say? Well lets check the good doctors chart... Bb Lydian = Bb C D E F G A

Muris, my good man. Looks like you are free to go!



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post Mar 3 2009, 05:11 PM
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"E+11" Adding the 11 (A) to E isnt jiving. E Lydian has A# in it. Not A. What gives Muris?


E+11=E Augmented11=Emajor with the 11th (A) raised 1/2 step=E major with A# added to it....Looks like Muris is in the clear!!! laugh.gif laugh.gif
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post Mar 3 2009, 05:12 PM
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QUOTE (lcsdds @ Mar 3 2009, 10:11 AM) *
E+11=E Augmented11=Emajor with the 11th (A) raised 1/2 step=E major with A# added to it....Looks like Muris is in the clear!!! laugh.gif laugh.gif


Ahh is that why it was written E11+ ?

the + means raise the 11 a half step?


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post Mar 3 2009, 05:13 PM
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Not sure what F#/E is but if F# and E were ok then I'm assuming its alright too. 4 left.


F#/E=Slash chord=F#major with an E bass
F# is definitely lydian and by playing the E in the bass it strengthens the "E Lydian tonality" even more....Damn, Muris does know what he is doing!! laugh.gif ph34r.gif

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post Mar 3 2009, 05:19 PM
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post Mar 3 2009, 05:21 PM
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Jer you are responsible for analyzing E Lydian and making sure the chords that Muris is using are indeed E Lydian. Make sure you let us know why you came to that conclusion.

Dan you are responsible for doing the same thing with Bb Lydian.


Oops... I already did that part.

My bad.


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post Mar 3 2009, 05:39 PM
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QUOTE (opeth.db @ Mar 3 2009, 05:19 PM) *
What am I supposed to do here? dry.gif

Go to Wal-Mart and buy a Family Size box of milkbones.....Go to the Dog pound and find the biggest, meanest, Hungriest Dog you can...Go to Iowa and stop by Jer's house...You know the rest...... laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif

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Alright guys, I am just gonna turn you loose on this bad boy. Going from the tab shall we say the first two licks by the weekend? If that is not realistic let me know.

I'm not gonna give any Kaz-Box lectures until I see you need them...So clean up your playing and I better not see any sloppy timing. tongue.gif mad.gif

I'll try to post my take on the whole lesson by the weekend. smile.gif

And they're off.......

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post Mar 3 2009, 07:15 PM
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Whats the 1st 2 licks exactly?

This?


E E11+ E

E||--6g7----6---------------|------------------------|
B||--------------7s----9----|------------------------|
G||-------------------------|-------4s----8s----6----|
D||-------------------------|------------------------|
A||-------------------------|------------------------|
E||-------------------------|------------------------|


E F#/E E

--6g7----6----------------|----------------------|
--------------7s----14----|-------17b------------|
--------------------------|----------------------|
--------------------------|----------------------|
--------------------------|----------------------|
--------------------------|----------------------|


E E F#

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--6g12----11-----------------|--------------------------|
----------------11s----13----|--------------------------|
-----------------------------|-------9s----13s----11----|
-----------------------------|--------------------------|
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QUOTE (jer @ Mar 3 2009, 07:15 PM) *
Whats the 1st 2 licks exactly?

This?


E E11+ E

E||--6g7----6---------------|------------------------|
B||--------------7s----9----|------------------------|
G||-------------------------|-------4s----8s----6----|
D||-------------------------|------------------------|
A||-------------------------|------------------------|
E||-------------------------|------------------------|


E F#/E E

--6g7----6----------------|----------------------|
--------------7s----14----|-------17b------------|
--------------------------|----------------------|
--------------------------|----------------------|
--------------------------|----------------------|
--------------------------|----------------------|


E E F#

-----------------------------|--------------------------|
--6g12----11-----------------|--------------------------|
----------------11s----13----|--------------------------|
-----------------------------|-------9s----13s----11----|
-----------------------------|--------------------------|
-----------------------------|--------------------------|


Seriously dude!!....Do you really think I would give you a tab without the licks labeled nice and neat above the measures and even spelling out which bars the lick entails!! mad.gif mad.gif smile.gif

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post Mar 3 2009, 07:54 PM
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Hey, sorry man, I got this tab from the lesson. I cant view GP files at work. I was watching the lesson and following along with this tab since its all I can view.

I'll check it out at home.



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E lydian has the following triads: Bmaj C#min D#min Emaj F#maj G#min A#dim

Bb lydian has the following triads: Fmaj Gmin Amin Bbmaj Cmaj Dmin Edim

I read how Kaznie found out the triads in the phrygian thread, and thanks to that understood how to use the table You gave us...


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QUOTE (Marek Rojewski @ Mar 3 2009, 07:59 PM) *
E lydian has the following triads: Bmaj C#min D#min Emaj F#maj G#min A#dim

Bb lydian has the following triads: Fmaj Gmin Amin Bbmaj Cmaj Dmin Edim

I read how Kaznie found out the triads in the phrygian thread, and thanks to that understood how to use the table You gave us...

Good Job Marek. Read through the other threads on the theory and any questions you have go ahead and take them up with Dan in your thread. Good Job Dude!! smile.gif

QUOTE (jer @ Mar 3 2009, 07:54 PM) *
Hey, sorry man, I got this tab from the lesson. I cant view GP files at work. I was watching the lesson and following along with this tab since its all I can view.

I'll check it out at home.


Alright dude you get a pass....This Time!! laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif

Lick 1=Bars 1-6

Lick 2=Bars 7-8



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those first 2 licks look pretty simple.

Are we playing them with no backing, just the kaz box? Or to the backing tracks on the lesson?


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