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Pedja Simovic
post Mar 10 2009, 05:33 PM
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I hope I'm still on time! So count me in!


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post Mar 10 2009, 07:38 PM
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I'd like to participate mate. smile.gif


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post Mar 10 2009, 09:40 PM
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QUOTE (Alex87 @ Mar 10 2009, 07:38 PM) *
I'd like to participate mate. smile.gif


Sure thing Alex ! wink.gif


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post Mar 11 2009, 04:09 AM
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i wanna clarify something for myself...


do we have to play the arpeggio in note for not sequence, or can we play different notes that are in the chord structure and make it sound a little more like a solo than just playing arpeggios note for note?


great backing btw...im having fun just runnin through different arpeggios


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post Mar 11 2009, 10:37 AM
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QUOTE (Marc_Maiden @ Mar 11 2009, 04:09 AM) *
i wanna clarify something for myself...


do we have to play the arpeggio in note for not sequence, or can we play different notes that are in the chord structure and make it sound a little more like a solo than just playing arpeggios note for note?


great backing btw...im having fun just runnin through different arpeggios


Good question Marc !
For this time I just want notes that belong to the chord only. In other words Cmaj7 you need to play C E G B , E G B C, G B C E or B C E G as arpeggio ! If you want to play chord tones then you can play one ore more notes from these 4 mentioned and you can play them in any order you like !

Check out my take, I posted it yesterday its on the first page of the thread.

Hope that helps !


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post Mar 14 2009, 01:29 AM
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Pedja,

I'm a real beginner so that's where this is coming from. I'm a little stuck as to how to approach this. I know these arpeggios separately, but I can't think of a way to move between them this way. Normally I would just stay in key and it would sound all right. I guess I can get my speed up and do a quick partial arpeggio on each chord change, but that doesn't seem like it's teaching me what you are wanting us to learn. Any suggestions on how to "connect the dots" with logic?


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post Mar 14 2009, 01:43 AM
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QUOTE (jdriver @ Mar 14 2009, 01:29 AM) *
Pedja,

I'm a real beginner so that's where this is coming from. I'm a little stuck as to how to approach this. I know these arpeggios separately, but I can't think of a way to move between them this way. Normally I would just stay in key and it would sound all right. I guess I can get my speed up and do a quick partial arpeggio on each chord change, but that doesn't seem like it's teaching me what you are wanting us to learn. Any suggestions on how to "connect the dots" with logic?


Jeff,

I really enjoyed your question as it is very logical and challenging at the same time smile.gif

What you are asking me is to give you some tips how to connect arpeggios and make music, instead of just running them up and down...
First of all I just want to say that for purpose of class type collaboration, it is perfectly fine to run arpeggios up and down as I am sure there are members out there who never learned Maj7, Min7 and Dom7 arpeggios all across the neck. Having said that, just by doing runs up and down they will already benefit and learn a lot here.
If you are however past running up and down arpeggios and want to create some music out of it, then I can suggest couple of things that can help you get there :

1) Use VOICE LEADING when changing chords. In other words lets say I play C E G B (over C maj7) and now A min7 comes in ... Instead of jumping from B note down or up an octave I can just move up to C note (which is half step away - one fret up) or go down a whole step to root of the chord which is A !
Voice leading is great technique used by improvisers and composers. It basically implies that when changing chords, your melody should not jump up or down more then a major 2nd (whole step). If chord progression allows you, you can also keep the same note in two chords. In case of C maj7 (C E G cool.gif and A min7 ( A C E G) , we have 3 notes that we can keep as they repeat in both chords ! Those notes are C E G.
Hopefully that explains a bit about voice leading wink.gif

2) Use rests in your solos and try to create question and answer type melodies !
Anything goes here, from sequence, to motive development. Please listen to take I posted and you will hear exactly approach in my improvisation.

Let me know if you have any more questions, I will be more than happy to answer them all !

Pedja


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post Mar 14 2009, 02:13 AM
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Excellent suggestions!! I normally would use rests in this way, but I think I am trying cram too much into 30 seconds and I have been trying to include some notes from each chord in every chord change and that's 16, so no wonder I get confused. I should slow down some. smile.gif

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post Mar 14 2009, 02:22 AM
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QUOTE (jdriver @ Mar 14 2009, 02:13 AM) *
Excellent suggestions!! I normally would use rests in this way, but I think I am trying cram too much into 30 seconds and I have been trying to include some notes from each chord in every chord change and that's 16, so no wonder I get confused. I should slow down some. smile.gif

Thanks.


Glad they helped you Jeff smile.gif
No need to play all the notes, I prefer melodic approach vs technical any day of the week. Still, I would like to know that you can pull off all arpeggios as well so try to balance it out smile.gif


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post Mar 14 2009, 03:46 AM
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You definitely set me on the right track. I have got it figured out. Just need to get the speed up and I think it will please the Jazz teacher in you! (and the Jazz student in me!)


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post Mar 14 2009, 04:00 AM
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@jdriver Nice to see your in this collab.

I haven't heard you in to many of these and it sounds like you have some really great ideas when it come to melody as structure.

Can't wait to listen to your take bro! smile.gif


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post Mar 14 2009, 04:17 AM
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QUOTE (UncleSkillet @ Mar 13 2009, 08:00 PM) *
@jdriver Nice to see your in this collab.

I haven't heard you in to many of these and it sounds like you have some really great ideas when it come to melody as structure.

Can't wait to listen to your take bro! smile.gif


Thanks bud. I did 2 collabs when I first joined, very simple ones! Since then I've been concentrating on lessons and practice. I think I'm ready to put it to use, I love Jazz and Blues!


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post Mar 14 2009, 08:13 PM
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QUOTE (jdriver @ Mar 14 2009, 03:46 AM) *
You definitely set me on the right track. I have got it figured out. Just need to get the speed up and I think it will please the Jazz teacher in you! (and the Jazz student in me!)


Great, I definitely look forward to it Jeff !


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post Mar 15 2009, 10:32 PM
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Guys if you have any questions, please feel free to ask them here or via PM.
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post Mar 15 2009, 10:58 PM
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Hey guys, looks like I missed quite a bit of the action... biggrin.gif been too busy to sign up, 'till now.

Pedja, I would like to participate. cool.gif

BTW, I've already recorded my take. Uploading in progress... biggrin.gif


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post Mar 15 2009, 11:21 PM
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QUOTE (GrannyKiller @ Mar 15 2009, 10:58 PM) *
Hey guys, looks like I missed quite a bit of the action... biggrin.gif been too busy to sign up, 'till now.

Pedja, I would like to participate. cool.gif

BTW, I've already recorded my take. Uploading in progress... biggrin.gif


No problem Davor, great to have you in this one smile.gif


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post Mar 19 2009, 03:00 PM
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Hey Pedja, sorry for the delay tongue.gif

I've been busy this week (performing wink.gif ) But I did find some time to write the first four bars. It's quite hard work, because I really need to write this, I can't improvise with triads yet!

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I'm so sorry, but I have to drop out of this one... I just have too many things going on at school, and not enough time to get anything done :S

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post Mar 20 2009, 12:06 AM
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QUOTE (kaznie_NL @ Mar 19 2009, 03:00 PM) *
Hey Pedja, sorry for the delay tongue.gif

I've been busy this week (performing wink.gif ) But I did find some time to write the first four bars. It's quite hard work, because I really need to write this, I can't improvise with triads yet!

Upload will be soon!


Great to hear that you are working on it Kaznie.
Original deadline was 23rd of March, since there are virtually no uploaded takes I will have to move the deadline by couple of days at least.

QUOTE (Canis @ Mar 19 2009, 03:05 PM) *
I'm so sorry, but I have to drop out of this one... I just have too many things going on at school, and not enough time to get anything done :S

Sorry sad.gif


Canis no worries, I will move the deadline hopefully you can still make it.


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QUOTE (Pedja Simovic @ Mar 20 2009, 12:06 AM) *
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Original deadline was 23rd of March, since there are virtually no uploaded takes I will have to move the deadline by couple of days at least.


Sorry Pedja for not have uploaded something already .. my take will come in time smile.gif



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