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post Mar 31 2009, 11:55 PM
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QUOTE (Emir Hot @ Mar 31 2009, 11:35 PM) *
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I would like to explain something and hear everyone's opinion about this. In my opinion the point of these collabs is that people get familiar with new stuff regardless of their current level or theory knowledge. I can make some easy backing and say "everyone play minor pentatonic" and I would have 30 participants smile.gif But the point is to get them out of pentatonics and learn something new. Doesn't matter if I hear some mistakes, everyone makes them smile.gif I can do some Satriani type of backing and see what happens. The problem comes when I say what scales I want you to use. Then people get scared or I don't know how to describe, but I am always getting less and less takes as they are not comfortable with it and they don't want to fight for learning more. The collabs are the way to learn stuff and have fun. You can learn about recording techniques, about new scales, new approach etc... I think people should have a go anyway. This is like a private instructor is talking to them and trying to fix the weak points and lead them the right way. I am really sorry I didn't get many takes on this one but let's see next time for the Satriani backing as Monte suggested smile.gif


I agree with you Emir. I know for me that I wouldn't have signed up for this collab except that you asked me if I would like to join. This was a great learning experience for me. I learned that I could adapt my playing style to still sound neoclassical, I learned how to construct diminished scales and I learned to use the harmonic minor scale. I also learned that I can record something and use plugins and then remove them and give you a dry track and let you process it in the mix the way you think it should be done. All of these are small things but that is how you learn.....baby steps. Then after awhile you look back and see that you have progressed.

I think that a lot of people might not participate because they think they might not feel that their playing is up to par. The instructors at GMC are worldclass players and it can be intimidating to submit your take to somebody on the level that you guys are on....even though I have never heard any of the instructors demean somebody's work. I have learned something from every collab I have done. I have done two collabs with you now and I remember in the first collab you told me to use the diminished scale when playing over the diminished chord in your ballad tracking. I didn't know what that was. This time though I spent some time learning it and now I have one more tool in my bag-o-tricks to use in my playing. You also told me to work on my AP, which I have, but I still don't use it because it is not developed enough to do it well so I have to stick to my strengths. I have also gotten faster at constructing solos then when I first started these things. So for me these collabs are invaluable but I still feel intimidated sometimes....just human nature I suppose. I am getting to the point though that I really see the value in these collabs and I hope everybody does as well.

I think the key is to play to your level. In my take I had quite a few 16th triplet runs that I wanted to use but couldn't get them up to speed cleanly so I changed them to straight 16ths. If that is too fast for you then construct a solo using 8th notes or 8th triplets. It will let you know what you need to work on. I need to work on my 16th triplets. You can construct just as powerful a solo playing 8th notes as you can 32nd and it is harder sometimes to do as well.

Sorry for the long post....I just hate to see people not participate because they feel intimidated. This site is meant to learn and we have access to some of the BEST PLAYERS IN THE WORLD. Take advantage of it. smile.gif
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post Apr 1 2009, 06:01 AM
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QUOTE (Emir Hot @ Mar 31 2009, 03:35 PM) *
Cheers Monte smile.gif

I would like to explain something and hear everyone's opinion about this. In my opinion the point of these collabs is that people get familiar with new stuff regardless of their current level or theory knowledge. I can make some easy backing and say "everyone play minor pentatonic" and I would have 30 participants smile.gif But the point is to get them out of pentatonics and learn something new. Doesn't matter if I hear some mistakes, everyone makes them smile.gif I can do some Satriani type of backing and see what happens. The problem comes when I say what scales I want you to use. Then people get scared or I don't know how to describe, but I am always getting less and less takes as they are not comfortable with it and they don't want to fight for learning more. The collabs are the way to learn stuff and have fun. You can learn about recording techniques, about new scales, new approach etc... I think people should have a go anyway. This is like a private instructor is talking to them and trying to fix the weak points and lead them the right way. I am really sorry I didn't get many takes on this one but let's see next time for the Satriani backing as Monte suggested smile.gif




I'm in full agreement with you on all points (although I'm glad when you give us hints about what scales to use smile.gif ) I was going to record a take for this collab, but this month was a little over-committed with some of the other collabs I've been doing (and other projects going on in my life) to such a point that I have not been getting into as many lessons as I had set out to do in the beginning of the year. With GMC, the biggest influences I've had are from the lessons where I'm picking up new theory, licks, scales, and chops. I've only done two or three lessons in the last month and I've got to focus on that as well . Also, I'm in the middle of the Young Lust collab right now and almost have something down now that's decent and applies some of the things I've learned lately. (I hope it turns out half way good anyway mellow.gif ) But I definately plan to do two collabs per month every month. Collabs are "huge" in that they give us a chance to compose, to record, and probably most importantly listen our own playing from the audiences perspective, then rework the takes until we're satisfied. That to me is one if the truly most important parts of guitar playing. When I listen to my improvs right now, I can hear how "disconnected" my licks are and how sometimes they just ramble. Putting a recording together to share with everyone is about as close as I get to the stage these days! so, it's kind of like doing a gig for me. (my real gigs are designing new games at work, but that's a different story. So, rest assured, I'll be back (in the words of a famous movie star, and California governor). I may not get to participate in all of them, but I really hope to do my best in the ones I can make time for and the ones I can offer a decent committment to.

Hey, this post is kind of like my solos ...ramble, ramble, ramble. smile.gif


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post Apr 1 2009, 09:39 AM
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Hi

You are absoulutly right guys. Emir and others, are giving us a great oppertunity to explore new terratories in the music world. Everyone are working hard on their lessons GMC has to offer, but these collabs are the perfect place to put all the stuff you are learning to the test.

I´ve participated in many collabs, and had a great time doing it, but with this latest Neoclassic collab I got a little scared, because it´s a style I´m not comfortible with. But I´m so glad I didn´t give up on it, because now I´m a little bit closer to understand what Neoclassic is all about. I´ve always been a fan of this style, I own most of Yngwies records, and listen to them every now and again. But over the years I have sometimes tried to sit down and learn some of this songs, but I back out very quickly, because it´s so overwhelmingly hard. But with this collab I think I have stepped over that threshold and now I´m even learning a Yngwie song (Amberdawn), and it´s going very well, and I´ve got most of it down, It´s a fairly easy song, but it´s a start. smile.gif

So people, don´t be afraid to take part in the hard collabs, you always get somethink out of it, and those video comments from Emir are priceless. I´ve spent alot of time going through those comments from previous 2 collabs, and I´ve learned alot from them. So thank you Emir and other instructors for all the time you´ve put in these collabs. smile.gif


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Emir, you´re totally right. I started with collaborations in November or so and from that time I gained so much experience (recording, use of scales, new licks, different music styles,...). I can´t believe how much I grew with every single collaboration.

Guys, even if you´re not familiar with a certain style, give it a go and learn! As you can see on my personal case, it really works! smile.gif


Emir, you rock! smile.gif

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post Apr 1 2009, 10:49 AM
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There are lots of wisely written posts here so I don't think I can put any extra comments to them!

But I would like to express how grateful I am personally that these collabs are running! It's alright that there is a great amount of work in every take - and that all students gain HUGE amount of knowledge, practice and experience from each collab. But I must always remind myself of the terrific work an instructor must put into one. Giving feedback on the forums, mixing, recording the comments for hours and days...

I'm always trying to participate in as many collaborations as I can for the same reasons as everybody else here has already described. Apart from the MTP program, it's one of the most important features at GMC. Having done around 15 collabs already in the past months I'm now looking back to my early stage of playing guitar like something that is terribly far away. And I guess there is even more to go.

I especially like how "real" lessons evolve from a collab backing track - that's a great tactic of Emir and Pedja. This activity becomes a collab not only among students but also between a student and an instructor as well.

But I guess all this is quite obvious for everyone. I'm still thankful that I can benefit from such source of motivation.

Yep, I'm certainly looking forward to all upcoming collaborations biggrin.gif

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post Apr 1 2009, 12:54 PM
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Thanks for all that positive feedback. I think pretty much the same that these things can only be of help but I had moments where I wasn't sure whether I had the definition of collabs this way smile.gif Now I am mixing the tracks.


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Hey guys,

There is not to much to add. I would only add that I am very grateful with all the instructors that take the time to make these collabs, when I hear my first participations more than a year ago I can hear how much I have improved. So thanks a lot and keep the collabs coming.

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post Apr 1 2009, 02:55 PM
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QUOTE (Emir Hot @ Apr 1 2009, 05:54 AM) *
Thanks for all that positive feedback. I think pretty much the same that these things can only be of help but I had moments where I wasn't sure whether I had the definition of collabs this way smile.gif Now I am mixing the tracks.


Thank you, Emir. I really agree on those points you are mentioning. Right, by participating collaboration, it does help the player learn the scale that we are not familiar with and apply all the fretboard knowledge that we have learnt. people does make mistake on collaboration but the most important point is instrutor lead us to the right way.

Please kill everybody in the comments so that everybody knows their weak points thoroughly. tongue.gif
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QUOTE (SensE @ Apr 1 2009, 02:55 PM) *
Thank you, Emir. I really agree on those points you are mentioning. Right, by participating collaboration, it does help the player learn the scale that we are not familiar with and apply all the fretboard knowledge that we have learnt. people does make mistake on collaboration but the most important point is instrutor lead us to the right way.

Please kill everybody in the comments so that everybody knows their weak points thoroughly. tongue.gif


hahaha, thanks smile.gif My comments will be friendly, I can't be that strict for this one smile.gif


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Emir really I love when your comments are strict. As you know, for about a 5 years, nothing in my guitar playing life that motivated me just like your comments on your first collab here ( I dont want to be unfair once Kjetil (kjutte) made some comments about my vibrato and I am working on that since but except that, previous sentence is totally correct) And I am glad you do that. I find your playing style closer to the point I would like to attend in the future. So keep them coming, I am sure some people's hesitations are for a limited time and in the end they all will understand that is for their own sake, and this is a wonderful opportunity to see their mistakes and get better. Thank you for all!!!

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