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Gerardo Siere
post Mar 16 2009, 01:38 PM
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Hi everyone, I want to ask for your opinion on what a great solo should have on it, it should be long short, has certain kind of licks or use certain modes, anything you find important on solos you like. Thanks.


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post Mar 16 2009, 01:43 PM
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For me, what's important in solos is the message you want to send: Sadness, Hapiness, and that is translated by the correct use of modes. I like sadness mostly, so I try to go to the minor scales such as aeolian and Harmonic Minor, I get my feelings out of them mostly. A solo should only be long, if it's melodic to me, I can't hear like 3 minutes of shredding licks over and over again (Malmsteen I hear like 2 minutes of a song, and that's it). The kind of licks it should have will reflect on the type of playing each one has in my opinion smile.gif

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post Mar 16 2009, 01:50 PM
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I like a good and logical concept in a solo. Like you writing a book. You start slowly then build up and start to increase tension. Somewhere in the middle you play some more advanced lick to announce the "explosion" and a proper action. In this part the "secret" should be revealed smile.gif After that you lay down on some more relaxing notes and finish nice and smooth. Always look to connect the end of the solo with the rest of the song so the song flow remains logical with nothing too much in it and nothing to simple. Usually in songs the last chorus comes after a solo. That chorus should be the most powerful one before the end of the song. You should leave it some space with the end of your solo so the last chorus really stands out. I like melodic solos with a couple of advanced licks in it. If you watch my "rock ballad solo" there you could recognise this approach where I tried my best to make a solo that has all these ingredients. I hope this helps.

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post Mar 16 2009, 02:01 PM
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Emir is right. Basically you need to "say something" with your solo, not to show how fast you can play.
Also if you can sing a solo, probably the solo is good. Brian May is a good example about this topic.


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post Mar 16 2009, 02:01 PM
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I agree with Emir, my favourite solo being No More Tears By Ozzy. So much raw power end emotion in that solo


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post Mar 16 2009, 02:05 PM
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It depends on what style of music we are talking about here.
If you are thinking in Pop/Rock contest, popular music that millions of people are listening to (easy listening music, requires no ear training, simple harmonies, very repeating etc) than you need short and effective solo. That solo has to have some sort of quick build up, some flashy licks of a sort and climax towards the end , if not at the very end.

If you think about Jazz music for example, its totally different as solos are open and can go for as long as improviser feels the need to do it. That way you can have all sorts of different elements in whole solo overall, but also if you brake down each individual section and chorus, you will find motive development, repetition, sequence, approach patterns, arpeggios, tensions, half time vs double time feel, outside playing etc.

So if I had to compare Jazz to any other style of music, I would most of the times prefer Jazz solo to any other style of music solo. Simply put it requires more skill in every area (harmonic , rhythmic and melodic) as well as incredible improvisation/composing in real time skill, not to even mention ear training as not everybody can solo with melodic minor modes and do outside playing. If you develop your ear, you really start to appreciate gifts that Jazz music has to offer...

Edit : Of course every solo has to have a story, otherwise it sounds like bunch of notes and as technical exercise ! Intro development conclusion - just like in language, works same way in music smile.gif

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post Mar 16 2009, 02:20 PM
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Awesome post Gerardo!
For me, a great solo is one that I can remember.
It needs to have a good opening and good closing. It's just like when you meet someone, you often remember the first impression and last thing he says to you.


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post Mar 16 2009, 03:48 PM
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+1 to david, also I think in killer solo has to have some very catchy melody (in middle most probably), it doesnt even have to be singable (brian may style), it may be fast as hell.. just imagine Rising force solo. Those arpeggios will stick in your head, even if you are deaf.

To make it short -
1) you need to say hi (some good opening,possibly bends, slide, or that fluid run kinda thing, that Marcus Lavendell does in Winding roads)
2) you need to let it breathe and flow - even in some technical death metal, it cant (well shouldn) be 170 BPM 16th triplets from noon till dusk (dont know any good sounding example for this... wonder why) As in conversation - remember that when you make a pause somewhere, it will still ring in listeners head, thus making some nice harmony and then giving unexpected pause can have great effects
3) Catchy phrase - good example can be outro from Flood by Pantera or Sea of lies by Symphony X as well, this is the part of solo (generally), which brought most of us here smile.gif This is the part where you say "Holy jesus, that was amazing!"
4) Some crescendo/decrescendo - it has to come to climax, catarsion = call it how you want. Fast run, cheesy slides.. do what you want, just end it on strong note - or dont. Rule of the thumb is that the last note is a make or brake - nail it, and even medicore solo will be listenable:)


Just my two cents smile.gif

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post Mar 16 2009, 03:55 PM
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QUOTE (Emir Hot @ Mar 16 2009, 09:50 AM) *
I like a good and logical concept in a solo. Like you writing a book. You start slowly then build up and start to increase tension. Somewhere in the middle you play some more advanced lick to announce the "explosion" and a proper action. In this part the "secret" should be revealed smile.gif After that you lay down on some more relaxing notes and finish nice and smooth. Always look to connect the end of the solo with the rest of the song so the song flow remains logical with nothing too much in it and nothing to simple. Usually in songs the last chorus comes after a solo. That chorus should be the most powerful one before the end of the song. You should leave it some space with the end of your solo so the last chorus really stands out. I like melodic solos with a couple of advanced licks in it. If you watch my "rock ballad solo" there you could recognise this approach where I tried my best to make a solo that has all these ingredients. I hope this helps.



I´ll copy this in my notebook!!! hahah smile.gif great tip!


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post Mar 16 2009, 04:00 PM
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Nice tips Jakub! I think I will have to bookmark this thread! Excellent idea Gerardo


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post Mar 16 2009, 04:07 PM
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Great solo, or any solo must serve the certain function for the song, and cannot ever be analyzed with the relationship with whole song, for example perfect solo is guitar solo in Duran Duran's "Ordinary world" short and unforgettable! smile.gif


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post Mar 16 2009, 05:51 PM
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Here`s few videos which consists minblowing solos:)



Solo starts at 2-36 smile.gif

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post Mar 16 2009, 07:22 PM
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Wow, some fantastic posts guys! This is what I call a quality thread biggrin.gif

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post Mar 16 2009, 08:48 PM
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Amazing solo. No fast shredding, just simple melodies, bulding up to a climax! Amazing!

(3 solos!)

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QUOTE (Sondre @ Mar 16 2009, 04:48 PM) *


Amazing solo. No fast shredding, just simple melodies, bulding up to a climax! Amazing!

(3 solos!)

and a Neil Young cover tongue.gif Nice


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post Mar 16 2009, 08:54 PM
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Yes, it is a Neil Young cover, but I prefer it to the original. smile.gif
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post Mar 16 2009, 11:19 PM
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Great solo should directly express players mood and character, and allow him to translate his emotions to musical expression. The musical content can vary dramatically, more structured, less structured, but good solo always has a sense and purpose, depending on the situation where it is used.


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post Mar 17 2009, 01:55 AM
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I sometimes "stop breathing for a moment" when listening to a great singer's line (and lyrics)...I kinda do it unintentionally like I'm identifying with him (imagine that I'm singing) and not wanting to make a noise while the verse is playing...Sometimes that happens when I listen to a great solo...Great solo IMO is exactly that - breathtaking ! It expresses beautiful melody and emotion, and great players are able to transfer all their energy , character and feelings in that solo and that's what it makes it so great! Its not what is played but how.


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post Mar 17 2009, 10:58 PM
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Love that solo on Dave Metheus!


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Gerardo Siere
post Apr 3 2009, 03:36 PM
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Thank you guys for your deep useful and nice replies, I will try to have all this in mind.


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