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Kristofer Dahl
post Mar 23 2009, 08:41 PM
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I think the idea is brilliant and a success - how many other orchestral youtube videos have made their way to GMC?! biggrin.gif There's got to be something special with this one.

PS There was something wrong with the sound!? tongue.gif laugh.gif


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post Mar 23 2009, 08:53 PM
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That.... was.... AWESOME!!!!! laugh.gif


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post Mar 23 2009, 09:11 PM
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wow... they all are exellents musicians, whatta a demo of virtuosity!!! hahaha, no no no just kidding... biggrin.gif
this show us how many ways exist to create art. wink.gif


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post Mar 23 2009, 09:17 PM
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post Mar 23 2009, 11:43 PM
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what a crazy idea !!! smile.gif And audience loved it smile.gif ehhehehe I guess they are bored with the annoying sound of violins smile.gif


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post Mar 24 2009, 12:10 AM
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haha if i was there after a couple minutes id shout out, WTF?!

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post Mar 24 2009, 02:31 AM
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That was brutal !

I talked about this with my friend in Boston 4-5 years ago. We had idea to make album and call it Silence or something, and have different tracks with different types of silence and noises from nature laugh.gif


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post Mar 24 2009, 03:20 AM
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I've seen this, it's a world famous piece. There is DVD of this and they sold some crazy amount of copies.


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post Mar 24 2009, 02:11 PM
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Wierd. I wouldn´t call it art, but there would have been enough space for a short sleep smile.gif
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post Mar 27 2009, 06:05 PM
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QUOTE (tonymiro @ Mar 23 2009, 06:37 PM) *
Some of the interesting aspects of 4'33' is that it considers a number of issues. First the difference between music and silence - and that there is no absolute silence. If you listen to the work there are sounds, the audience moving about, environmental noise, etc. Second, in relation to this it explores the dialectic between music as intentional sound and unintentional sounds. With unintentional sounds it relates further to randomness and chance wrt music. There is always unintentional sound in music - what 4' 33'' does is bring them to the forefront by deliberately eclipsing the intentional sounds that we commonly think of as 'the music'.

All of these issues - and many others beside - help construct John Cage's philosophical view of life and music. As Ramiro says he was both a brilliant composer and extremely intelligent. 4' 33' asks some very profound questions about the nature of music smile.gif .


Wow mate, you've surprised me. I didn't know that you were into this part of music.

You've just explained what I didn't want to because Cage is a musician that many people don't understand and laught at it even knowing some of his thoughts.



I recommend the film that Peter Greenaway did about John Cage. He also did (Greenaway) three more films about other composers (Philip Glass, Meredith Monk and one more that I don't remember the name just now).


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post Mar 27 2009, 06:24 PM
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There was a fly in my room so I couldn't enjoy enough sad.gif mellow.gif laugh.gif


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post Mar 27 2009, 06:28 PM
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QUOTE (Muris Varajic @ Mar 27 2009, 07:24 PM) *
There was a fly in my room so I couldn't enjoy enough sad.gif mellow.gif laugh.gif

laugh.gif Fly created additional atmosphere i guess biggrin.gif
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post Mar 27 2009, 06:29 PM
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QUOTE (Ramiro Delforte @ Mar 27 2009, 06:05 PM) *
Wow mate, you've surprised me. I didn't know that you were into this part of music.

You've just explained what I didn't want to because Cage is a musician that many people don't understand and laught at it even knowing some of his thoughts.



I recommend the film that Peter Greenaway did about John Cage. He also did (Greenaway) three more films about other composers (Philip Glass, Meredith Monk and one more that I don't remember the name just now).


Thanks Ramiro I try my best to be surprising at times biggrin.gif .

But yes I've liked Cage - and a lot of modern 20th C classical and 'avant garde' for some time. I have a friend, Marcel, who did his PhD on deconstruction in music that included quite a bit on Cage. More was on Derrida then Cage though and it moves in to philosophy which is more my theoretical end. Anyway his website is here if it interests you smile.gif. Last time I saw Marcel was in Barcelona where we were theorising about silence and Cage and Pat Metheny came up in the conversation quite a few times...

I think some people are bemused by Cage as i) his reputation precedes him and ii) people think within a certain border and what challenges it can be too unsettling and iii) they take things out of context and/or use a limited amount of his ouevre to reach a conclusion about the man and his works.


I've only ever seen the Meredith Monk film btw though looking on the net the fourth composer is Robert Ashley here. Thanks for reminding me of this - I'll have to look the others up smile.gif .


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post Mar 27 2009, 06:34 PM
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Thanx for the site!
I've bookmarked it biggrin.gif

Right, the fourth was Ashley, now I remember


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post Mar 27 2009, 07:39 PM
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QUOTE (sted @ Mar 23 2009, 07:18 PM) *
Just goes to show that utter nonsense is not the sole preserve of the proletariat.

what next, bottled air?

(Cue enormous amounts of links to bottled air for sale sites laugh.gif )




Already exists.....

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QUOTE (Tolek @ Mar 23 2009, 06:10 PM) *
I just made a video response. laugh.gif



It´s basically the same for me. smile.gif But thanks to tonymiro´s explanation why this piece was "written". biggrin.gif


Killer tone! laugh.gif

Well, again I think this thread demonstrates what Cage was after, a little bit of controversy. There's quite a debate behind this piece but I agree that the original piano composition when performed for the first time cannot be recaptured.
Let's not forget that everyone in the audience paid to see that and will probably have known about 4'33'' in advance. I wouldn't be someone that would paid for this but I can appreciate it and Cage's vision.


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